So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[grassfarmer]

An article in last weeks MB Cooperator shows the idiocy of the anti-SM campaign. An article by Gwyn Morgan of Troy Media, who is described as a retired Canadian business leader - former chairman of SNC-Lavalin and former President and CEO of Encana tries to highlight the success Australia has had since deregulating their milk production.

He quotes a Fraser Institute report that "Consumers have benefitted from lower prices for fresh milk. Farmers have received consistently rising farmgate prices......"

Then a paragraph later he contradicts this by saying how Australian producers survived the change "through carefully constructed transition measures that cushioned the lower prices received by producers"

It's all lies and misinformation. Of course the producer is going to get less, that's the goal - so the processor can make more like in every other sector.

[15444]

Haven't seen any 'successful' small dairy farmers that weren't loaded to the hilt with debt, and I have a few around me. Dairy inspectors are shutting down the older 'debt free' barns and mandating new ones or your done. 4 barns around me have quit for that reason. Latest casualty, father and son team, milking 60 cows, 40 year old barn. Inspector says need a new barn. Price tag, $2.5 mil. Son says he don't love Holsteins that much. They shut down in October. Inspectors are gradually eliminating all barns more than 25 years old as building codes and milk handling specifications have changed.

[the big wheel]

Haven't seen any 'successful' small dairy farmers that weren't loaded to the hilt with debt, and I have a few around me. Dairy inspectors are shutting down the older 'debt free' barns and mandating new ones or your done. 4 barns around me have quit for that reason. Latest casualty, father and son team, milking 60 cows, 40 year old barn. Inspector says need a new barn. Price tag, $2.5 mil. Son says he don't love Holsteins that much. They shut down in October. Inspectors are gradually eliminating all barns more than 25 years old as building codes and milk handling specifications have changed.

and if they can't do it with guarantees of this system what kind of suppliers will their be south of the border? Do we just accept their standards as being as good as ours? Or are headed for a lead in the water type scenario?

[WiltonRanch]

Haven't seen any 'successful' small dairy farmers that weren't loaded to the hilt with debt, and I have a few around me. Dairy inspectors are shutting down the older 'debt free' barns and mandating new ones or your done. 4 barns around me have quit for that reason. Latest casualty, father and son team, milking 60 cows, 40 year old barn. Inspector says need a new barn. Price tag, $2.5 mil. Son says he don't love Holsteins that much. They shut down in October. Inspectors are gradually eliminating all barns more than 25 years old as building codes and milk handling specifications have changed.

Watch that Dr Poll show and the dairies you see him visit have walls covered in shit and falling down around them. Are US standards that less rigorous to ours? Can understand you want clean milk but you can see the zeitgeist of officials favouring those with deep pockets or willing to sell their souls to life of pulling tits, and what for if you’re milking a few.

[15444]

Watch that Dr Poll show and the dairies you see him visit have walls covered in shit and falling down around them. Are US standards that less rigorous to ours? Can understand you want clean milk but you can see the zeitgeist of officials favouring those with deep pockets or willing to sell their souls to life of pulling tits, and what for if you’re milking a few.

A lot of those dairies on Dr Pol are either subsidizing their operations with off-farm income, or getting a healthy kick-back from the show itself, I am sure you could find out how much if you went looking for the info. Those types everywhere in the US are going down the tubes daily. My buddy in Wadena, MN told me on the phone the other night that there are 2 dairy dispersals every week in his area. Some guys are buying beef calves to feed and some are just walking away from livestock entirely and letting the croppers fist fight each other to rent the land. And some 60 to 70 year old guys are so attached to their cows that they are selling land to keep themselves afloat, hoping that prices go up, hemorrhaging cash and equity along the way. A lot of those cases, he said, will likely end up in bankruptcy and suicide as some have happened already. It is all the last generation producers getting out or losing their contracts. Processors don't want to mess with 30 or 40 cow herds anymore.

These are the guys they want milk from. Not just fill a tanker, but multiple tanker loads a day.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2018/09/03/div-class-libPageBodyLinebreak-Bullish-on-Big-Dairy-div.html http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2018/09/03/div-class-libPageBodyLinebreak-Bullish-on-Big-Dairy-div.html

[WiltonRanch]

A lot of those dairies on Dr Pol are either subsidizing their operations with off-farm income, or getting a healthy kick-back from the show itself, I am sure you could find out how much if you went looking for the info. Those types everywhere in the US are going down the tubes daily. My buddy in Wadena, MN told me on the phone the other night that there are 2 dairy dispersals every week in his area. Some guys are buying beef calves to feed and some are just walking away from livestock entirely and letting the croppers fist fight each other to rent the land. And some 60 to 70 year old guys are so attached to their cows that they are selling land to keep themselves afloat, hoping that prices go up, hemorrhaging cash and equity along the way. A lot of those cases, he said, will likely end up in bankruptcy and suicide as some have happened already. It is all the last generation producers getting out or losing their contracts. Processors don't want to mess with 30 or 40 cow herds anymore.

These are the guys they want milk from. Not just fill a tanker, but multiple tanker loads a day.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2018/09/03/div-class-libPageBodyLinebreak-Bullish-on-Big-Dairy-div.html http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2018/09/03/div-class-libPageBodyLinebreak-Bullish-on-Big-Dairy-div.html

Sad situation

[grassfarmer]

A lot of those dairies on Dr Pol are either subsidizing their operations with off-farm income, or getting a healthy kick-back from the show itself, I am sure you could find out how much if you went looking for the info. Those types everywhere in the US are going down the tubes daily. My buddy in Wadena, MN told me on the phone the other night that there are 2 dairy dispersals every week in his area. Some guys are buying beef calves to feed and some are just walking away from livestock entirely and letting the croppers fist fight each other to rent the land. And some 60 to 70 year old guys are so attached to their cows that they are selling land to keep themselves afloat, hoping that prices go up, hemorrhaging cash and equity along the way. A lot of those cases, he said, will likely end up in bankruptcy and suicide as some have happened already. It is all the last generation producers getting out or losing their contracts. Processors don't want to mess with 30 or 40 cow herds anymore.

And this folks is why we should hold onto SM in Canada - this is the alternative, the failed model used in the US. Despite huge Government spending on bailouts its still failing. Much better the system we have.

[agboy]

lot off misinformation grassfarmer about S-M !

cost plus ,protected, guaranteed profit , quota price on the expence side etc !

why is the cost of a piece of paper for a million on 20 milkcow ,s quota or small poultry right !

Canada has the highest milk and chicken price in the world compared to Europa and many free enterprice farming system
.
we are not on plain level field with hog ,beef, fruit vegetable income
yes I doin,t blame S-M losing this no risk, controlled supply bought out by only a few large money offered peace of paper !

again and again I said before kill S-M AND WE ALL ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL FREE ENTERPICE!!!!

[grassfarmer]

lot off misinformation grassfarmer about S-M !

Canada has the highest milk and chicken price in the world compared to Europa and many free enterprice farming system

Yes, thanks for adding more misinformation. Canadian milk is cheaper than Australia, NewZealand, France and even lower than the rBST-free milk sold in the US!

http://www.realagriculture.com/2018/04/dairy-price-study-finds-canadians-dont-pay-more-for-milk/ http://https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/04/dairy-price-study-finds-canadians-dont-pay-more-for-milk/

You are right about one thing but I know it's not what you meant - Canadian farmers receive a higher price for their milk than in almost any western/first world country. The difference between here and elsewhere is that the potential for excessive profiteering in the processing sector is regulated.

[agboy]

never heard of BSE FREE MILK ! FROM USA GRASSFARMER !!!
AND BY THE WAY S-M SYSTEM CAN NOT BRING IN MILK FROM U-S-A
CANADA HAS BSE FREE S-M MILK ???

KEEP ME INFORMED DAIRYMAN !!