So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[foragefarmer]

Sheep
Your not coming up with anything new, I have family in Sk who have sold chickens by the hundreds along with eggs for many many years and are still going hard. They never complain about allowable number or SM. They have made wads of cash!

In your mind SM farmers who have worked hard and invested millions of dollars into their operations to build their business's should increase non quota numbers so that non SM farmer can directly compete against them? I guess you want them to end up like all other ag commodities who are struggling while processors and retailer make all the money .

[farmaholic]

I think there are few people willing to do what sheapwheat is doing.
I don't see the treat to SM at all. He will have a different product, for a different customer at a different price. The run of the mill consumer will continue to get their food from factory farms through grocery stores and restaurants, as will the myriad of food processors.

Go for it freewheat, if the very limited supply of higher priced, more traditionally raised superior product is a threat to cheap factory farm meat....then something is definitely wrong with "their" production model.

Just stay under the radar.

"Watery" AND SLIMEY, is a very accurate description of "water chilled" frozen chicken breasts. Fresh, air chilled, are better but still not the same as farm raised.

How old is the chicken in the Colonel's bucket...measured in "days", barely worth stating in "weeks". Which do you think will be more flavorful....farm raised or factory raised?

[Klause]

Hey klause hope all is well with y’all! I guess I thought I was being clear on this. I want the opportunity to go all out and raise a few thousand chickens, and a thousand turkeys for example. That is the problem. I cannot. Again I have contacts begging for more of my birds, but I can not fill their needs. It is an opportunity missed. They know how our birds are raised, how they taste, and they want more. I am not allowed to fill their needs. I see that as a big problem. Run of the mill barn birds do not come close to filling what the specs are that they have, both from a raising style, and from a quality perspective.

Regarding eggs, we have looked into quota, applied for it, and failed. This tells me they do not want more producers, but want to take great care of those 11 turkey guys and 133 chicken farmers on the inside!

Regarding milk, I find it mildly amusing that the person who was adamant we were not allowed to produce goat milk without a quota, as grassy pointed out, is a falsehood, is a dairy farmer. Protective enough to fight outside their jurisdiction... 😆

Butchering chickens, gotta get back at it on this wet day.

Quota is specifically distributed to new producers. 3 per year.


If you didn't get it your application or business plan wasn't sound enough.


I know two grain farming families that got I to it recently with no inside support or contacts.


I hunt and have always raised our own meat. I refuse to have birds because I can't stand their smell but I know what old school chicken tastes like.


Also the irony on here complaining about factory farmed birds and pigs while spraying everything with glyphosate and fungicides and (over) applying synthetic fertilizers...


Hmmm

[farmaholic]

Also the irony on here complaining about factory farmed birds and pigs while spraying everything with glyphosate and fungicides and (over) applying synthetic fertilizers...


Hmmm

The same theory applies. People like Hobby who want to do it a different way are doing it to serve the market and people looking for that difference. The rest are feeding the masses. There is no quota for farming organic that I'm aware of...just rules. Get certified, follow the rules and get at it.

If I want to buy farm raised chicken, I will.

[Klause]

The same theory applies. People like Hobby who want to do it a different way are doing it to serve the market and people looking for that difference. The rest are feeding the masses. There is no quota for farming organic that I'm aware of...just rules. Get certified, follow the rules and get at it.

If I want to buy farm raised chicken, I will.

And that's your choice to make... And the system is setup to allow it.


Ontario has 1300 chicken producers... And way more population.... Sask has about the same people as the city of Ontario, is landlocked and far away from large population centers.


How the heck do you want a huge chicken industry to survive here? Makes no sense. Just look at unregulated beef... Farmers are getting out every day, the herd keeps shrinking and the price of a steak in Sobeys in Humboldt is higher than in Munich, Germany

The rest of the world subsidizes agriculture - that will never change because a) governments need to feed their people (China, Europe, Japan, India) or see agrivulture as a foreign exchange and economic engine (Russia, Argentina, USA).. we can pout and complain and beat our chests forever but that's how it is and no country will listen to us and change their ways because we asked for it nicely.


The quota system guarantees cost plus for the farmer. Ie:
https://www.ontariochicken.ca/Farmer-Member-Resources/Live-Price.aspx https://www.ontariochicken.ca/Farmer-Member-Resources/Live-Price.aspx


The price of the quota is high because the open market has valued the right to a consistent "cost plus profit" pricing model at that level.

How is it any different than trying to get into grain farming and having to buy overinflated land that will never return a profit over it's cost????


Why are all you guys grinning over half a million to 750,000 quarter sections and then bitching about "cost of entry" into a supply managed sector?


It's nothing more than envy.

[westernvicki]

Why we can kill Canada to save dairy: 12,000 diary farmers: 50% live in Quebec, saw these numbers the other day. The reason why Andrew Sheer and Justin Trudeau are twins on this file. Only Maxime, disagees. Go milk! Go milk the system.

[grassfarmer]

What's been missing from this long and twisting thread is the political angle. Dramatic talk about "saving Canada" by ditching SM. Really though? while having a NAFTA agreement makes some difference to trade in Canada it's by no means the end of the country if we didn't have one at all.
Even if consensus is we do need a NAFTA agreement, and we conceded SM tomorrow does anybody believe everything would be hunky dory and Trump would be delighted to sign a deal on all the other aspects of NAFTA?
The latest figures posted here of there being 6000 SM farmers in Quebec that are so important to both parties fortunes - there are over 6 million on the electoral register in Quebec so it's inconceivable that the actual 6000 votes will make a difference.
Really it's much ado about nothing. Not a big issue other than a few opportunists trying to capitalize on the situation to bring about change because it suits their agenda. A few in the processing sector would like to see SM end and it seems a lot of jealous other farmers would too.

[westernvicki]

Amazing what the nations leaders will do to defend "much to do about nothing!".

[Sheepwheat]

so that non SM farmer can directly compete against them? I guess you want them to end up like all other ag commodities who are struggling while processors and retailer make all the money .

I thought I made it clear that there is zero competition with what it is I am putting forth.

Regarding supplying the quota folks with a business model? They don’t buy into my model, so it is impossible to get quota for someone like me. My model does not include indoor housing, plans to expand to x thousand birds, etc. etc., raising birds, gasp! Outdoors and feeding unconventional feeds, and they frown on this it seems.

One more time. I am not producing the same product. Why then, should I be stifled from the business? As far as the chicken turkey farmers are concerned, my product may as well be grease guns. It is not the same, commodity poultry and eggs that I am talking about!

Farmaholic, you do seem to see what I am saying. I didn’t think it was that complicated! 😆

[Guest]

why are the processors allowed to inject water into chicken ??? that pisses me off paying for water that runs outta the meat ?

[westernvicki]

If supply management is such a fair & wonderful institution, why is the largess not distributed equitably: why does Quebec with less population than Ontario get more quota and 4 times the quota than Alberta with 1/2 the population of Quebec?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming_in_Canada
If we are defending this institution; then we should take a careful look at what the statistics tell us.

[Oliver88]

Why are all you guys grinning over half a million to 750,000 quarter sections and then bitching about "cost of entry" into a supply managed sector?
It's nothing more than envy.

Where in Sask are land prices actually that high?

[Klause]

Where in Sask are land prices actually that high?

Regina, Moose Jaw, Swift Current, Abbey/Cabri

That hilly poor land west of Humboldt that doesn't grow much unless it rains 10 inches a year is going for $320,000/quarter.

North of Humboldt Land is trading at half a million plus.

[Klause]

I thought I made it clear that there is zero competition with what it is I am putting forth.

Regarding supplying the quota folks with a business model? They don’t buy into my model, so it is impossible to get quota for someone like me. My model does not include indoor housing, plans to expand to x thousand birds, etc. etc., raising birds, gasp! Outdoors and feeding unconventional feeds, and they frown on this it seems.

One more time. I am not producing the same product. Why then, should I be stifled from the business? As far as the chicken turkey farmers are concerned, my product may as well be grease guns. It is not the same, commodity poultry and eggs that I am talking about!

Farmaholic, you do seem to see what I am saying. I didn’t think it was that complicated! 😆

So you want to run free range chickens.

You can run 999 of those, without quota or regulation. You say you donèt want to run thousands of chickens... So what exactly do you want...

It's not like you're going to run 3,000 chicken free range in north eastern SK...


Startup program for new farmers...
http://lait.org/en/our-organization/aidedemarrage/ http://lait.org/en/our-organization/aidedemarrage/

Quebec has a majority of dairies because climate is conducive for it... And the French make a lot of cheese... Itès what they are good at like Saskatchewan is good at growing wheat.

Somehow, we out here are more worried about something that doesnèt affect us... instead of say worrying about loosing our grading system and quality advantage completely in the new NAFTA (westernvicki, wanna look into that?)

Also why didn't we get some Geographical identifiers in CETA... Like Saskatchewan Lentils or durum... or Alberta rye?? Asleep at the wheel as usual.

[Klause]

Hey sheepwheat....


http://www.saskegg.ca/on-the-farm/become-an-egg-farmer http://www.saskegg.ca/on-the-farm/become-an-egg-farmer