So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[pgluca]

We are going to see the limits of govt support in the coming yrs. Ag has already had its disruption. There are dozens of industries next in line including white collar jobs. If estimates are right, unless you are actively training to be a coder or a robotics expert, you will be unemployable.

Jazz In my opinion you have been absolutely correct in your posts on this topic. Since when is one or any industry entitled to be a "Small (likely inefficient) business" with tax payer support. You either have to go completely socialist and support everyone (they presumably all pay taxes). And, as a result have a lower over all standard of living combined with much higher costs. Or everyone should compete and we can reward efficiency and competency, with no supports and tax payer handouts..... Now I can hear a lot of screaming about other countries (American) subsidies and in my mind that is the only justification for tariffs. A half in half system supporting some industries and not others just distorts the market and creates colossal inefficiencies which cause things to be produced in areas they shouldn't be and subsidies capitalized into land, quota etc.

[the big wheel]

Well kinda tired of the can't give you what other countries get because it distorts things only distorts things for us if we aren't in an equal playing field because of those subsidies.
Which brings us back to we need to be raising that issue much more than we are. But our oil puppets here and the queens in Ottawa have no care or clue about it.

[the big wheel]

And if we're going to all out and discuss subsidies to industries the oil industry has been subsidized to the max here in Canada so maybe ya let's get rid of it all but I mean al not just the ones that are paying the politicians under the table.

[DaneG]

If dairy gets negotiated away one could guess that there would be a fair amount of start up direct marketing of milk and cream etc by small operations because there would not be a need for a lot of the protections rules and laws that currently surround supply management.

[Klause]

Let's destroy the last stable ag sector we have.


So they can be like grain farmers. Competing with each other for land, trying to produce e more than their neighbors and doing it for less, beating our chests about what great capitalists we are while getting sucked dry, laughed at, and taken advantage of by the likes of nutrients and Deere - working to take the maximum possible profit out of every farm and using government (taxpayer) subsidies and government regulations along with mergers and marketing agencies (canpotex) to do it.


Yup. We're the intelligent capitalist farmers.

LOL.

[bucket]

Klause


The funny part is governments will subsidize deere and case like the auto sector and when it doesn't produce results they still won't know what the problem is.....

[fjlip]

So EU subsidies to farmers actually subsidized all their industries selling to farmers? Bottom up? but we had to stop them at WTO. Should have copied instead. International Grains Agreements still necessary.

[Klause]

So EU subsidies to farmers actually subsidized all their industries selling to farmers? Bottom up? but we had to stop them at WTO. Should have copied instead. International Grains Agreements still necessary.

Europe still subsidizes their farmers. Nothing's changed..


Argentina has a going interest rate of 60% and agriculture pays %5-11

Why? Because primary production is how countries guarantee food security and foreign exchange.


Canadians (and maybe Aussies) are the only ones too dense to realize this.

We gave up the crow rate... Do you see a single new flour mill or pasta plant?


We gave up the cwb. Did we get concessions from anybody? Did we get a transparent market?

We gave up the seeds act and now look where we are.


Now we will give up SM.


Those that settled the prairies did so with the promise of land od their own and a way to get their production to market.


Today, we have no constitutional right to own property, our rights are infringed and eroded daily, and we no longer have access to markets.



Makes you wonder what all that back breaking work and survival through all of the trials of the early 1900s/late 1800s was worth it.

And producer organizations that are run by tea-puppets with no understanding of the past or the future just keep making it worse.

When you tell government you are robust, dot need subsidies, don't want subsidies and say everything industry is great, well why are you blaming politicians?

[dmlfarmer]

Europe still subsidizes their farmers. Nothing's changed..


Argentina has a going interest rate of 60% and agriculture pays %5-11

Why? Because primary production is how countries guarantee food security and foreign exchange.


Canadians (and maybe Aussies) are the only ones too dense to realize this.

We gave up the crow rate... Do you see a single new flour mill or pasta plant?


We gave up the cwb. Did we get concessions from anybody? Did we get a transparent market?

We gave up the seeds act and now look where we are.


Now we will give up SM.


Those that settled the prairies did so with the promise of land od their own and a way to get their production to market.


Today, we have no constitutional right to own property, our rights are infringed and eroded daily, and we no longer have access to markets.



Makes you wonder what all that back breaking work and survival through all of the trials of the early 1900s/late 1800s was worth it.

And producer organizations that are run by tea-puppets with no understanding of the past or the future just keep making it worse.

When you tell government you are robust, dot need subsidies, don't want subsidies and say everything industry is great, well why are you blaming politicians?

👍👍👍 well said!

[agboy]

why do we have to keep supply M G to dairy and chicken quota and loose NAFTA?
free enterprice like grain beef pork veg made this good country like Canada
Europa did away with quota end is competing with world supply like u s a
why did they overpay for this high chicken and dairy piece of paper guaranteed profit and we the taxpayers pay for
milk in Montana store 1 to 2 dollar less than here same for butter and chicken !!!!

S-M HAS TO GO ! YES GRASFARMER I CAN NOT BLAME YOU ! FOR NOT GIVING UP THIS CONTROLLED COST PLUS GARANTEED SUPPLY PROFIT FARMING !
U-S-A FARMERS SAYS WE TAKE ALL YOUR BEEF AND PORK ! BUT CAN NOT TAKE MILKPRODUCTS AND CHICKEN FROM US !!
TRUMP HAS A POINT AND IS NOT LOOKING AT CANADA M-G RICH SYSTEM

[BFW]

Whoever said "supply management has no place in a capitalist system" said it best I believe and I doubt very many grain farmers would strive to have this system in place for them as well. I think western grain production would no t flourish in a supply managed scenario. Too me, this supply management in dairy and poultry etc should have been phased out long ago but no one had the balls politically to do it. It costs us something in every trade negotiation. Currently, I don't think it is really even a big deal to the Americans but it has become the lightening rod upon which a trade agreement with them seems to rest upon. We need to clean up our own back yard. Quota was basically given to producers as i understand it ,and now has been bid up to ridiculous levels as a result of easy money and producers with a desire to expand. (sounds like some other parts of agriculture.) Why should they be able to pass the cost of quota along to the consumer. It is not a cost of production ( same for land) so who should determine what a reasonable ROI is? The market perhaps? Dairy production or poultry production will not disappear from this country if the system is removed. They will have to compete and everyone(including them) will benefit as a result. My 2 cents worth. Come at me.

[sumdumguy]

Her e come the 19 cent a pound turkeys for Thanksgiving.