So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[grassfarmer]

Probably more misinformation in this thread than I've seen on here for a long time.

All the talk about subsidies the dairy farmer gets - truth is they are the only Canadian farmers that don't get directly subsidized. The Government intervenes to make sure the processor pays a fair price to the farmer the consumer pays the price the processor charges - end of story - no subsidy cheques.

AgBoy that thinks I'm a dairy farmer.

Americans inject their cows with BSE.

It's only the hated easterners that have dairy - well ON and QC have 2/3 of the national dairy herd they also have 2/3 of the human population so it's logical they have the cows. Milk doesn't travel well and is perishable. The rest of the dairy cows are spread from Newfoundland to BC, they are our neighbours across the country.

Small dairies no longer exist - Depends what you call a small dairy. I know guys milking 70-90 cows on a 1/4 or 1/2 section living well themselves, spending heavily in the local community on tractors, sheds, feed grains, forages and also supplying a dairy worker and his family with a very well salaried job.

I've said it before and i'll say it again Canada has the best dairy system in the world, don't piss it away based on misinformation, jealousy or because a madman in a foreign country decides to tweet about it (he'd never even heard of supply management until someone mentioned it to him after the diafiltered milk story)

[15444]

Let's destroy the last stable ag sector we have.


So they can be like grain farmers. Competing with each other for land, trying to produce e more than their neighbors

The local dairy cartel here already does that. And the smugness about having the righteous hand of God on their side is only an added bonus!

On another note. Got into a discussion about SM with son of Swiss immigrants. He was adamant that Canadian dairy farmers are stupid and lazy. Told me that his cousin milks 18 cows in Switzerland and makes a good living. When asked how much subsidies he gets paid, he was also very adamant that Switzerland pays no ag subsidies at all.

Now I don't give a shit either way, but I get a kick out of how universal bullshit is.

[dalek]

The local dairy cartel here already does that. And the smugness about having the righteous hand of God on their side is only an added bonus!

On another note. Got into a discussion about SM with son of Swiss immigrants. He was adamant that Canadian dairy farmers are stupid and lazy. Told me that his cousin milks 18 cows in Switzerland and makes a good living. When asked how much subsidies he gets paid, he was also very adamant that Switzerland pays no ag subsidies at all.

Now I don't give a shit either way, but I get a kick out of how universal bullshit is.

As I understand it Switzerland doesn’t pay ag subsidies to keep those small dairy farms going. What they DO pay are massive tourism subsidies so the tourists can see the small dairy farms they expect to see.
Wink nod.

[Hopalong]

Many years ago when I was becoming part of farm operation there was discussion about large farms.
Then, as now, they were often blamed for problems of smaller operations.
Think supply management will go way of land bank and wheat board, might as well get on with it.

[sawfly1]

going to disagree with grass on one thing .
supply management , no matter how you slice is a subsidy.

just as restricting our access to generic chemicals is a subsidy
the chemical manufacturers here.

there is a good documentary on Netflix on the maple syrup business in eastern Canada.
creating a marketing board years ago , created a thriving industry.
where there was none ,

now there are those trying to get around the board , selling their syrup on the black market.
same story the board restricting the supply brought the value up.

there is supply management every where you look
they just do not call it that.
seed and chem and fert co,s call it competitive pricing.
the rail roads for sure . the worse job they do the more they want to get paid .
definite supply management .

the sad thing is , the big dairy players can come in and lose money long enough to put everyone else out of business.
then buy it all for pennies.
there are supposed to be laws against that kind of thing .
but as we can see from the Weston's price fixing scandal
they are too connected or wealthy , to ever get charged.
.

[furrowtickler]

going to disagree with grass on one thing .
supply management , no matter how you slice is a subsidy.

just as restricting our access to generic chemicals is a subsidy
the chemical manufacturers here.

there is a good documentary on Netflix on the maple syrup business in eastern Canada.
creating a marketing board years ago , created a thriving industry.
where there was none ,

now there are those trying to get around the board , selling their syrup on the black market.
same story the board restricting the supply brought the value up.

there is supply management every where you look
they just do not call it that.
seed and chem and fert co,s call it competitive pricing.
the rail roads for sure . the worse job they do the more they want to get paid .
definite supply management .

the sad thing is , the big dairy players can come in and lose money long enough to put everyone else out of business.
then buy it all for pennies.
there are supposed to be laws against that kind of thing .
but as we can see from the Weston's price fixing scandal
they are too connected or wealthy , to ever get charged.
.

Some good points sawfly .
One thing with grains though one thing was severely flawed . It’s impossible to control quantity or quality. All those other industry can and do .

[grassfarmer]

.......same story the board restricting the supply brought the value up....

Hmmm sounds familiar. Speaking of which did anyone else hear the Rona Ambrose interview on NAFTA at the weekend when she said the CWB was a supply management system. Was surprised she made that comment - thought she'd have known better than that.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=grassfarmer;388039]Hmmm sounds familiar. Speaking of which did anyone else hear the Rona Ambrose interview on NAFTA at the weekend when she said the CWB was a supply management system. Was surprised she made that comment - thought she'd have known better than that.[/QUOTE
well it kinda was , 2/3 of farmers quit growing wheat because of it , so it did manage the supply
I think she is smarter than all three of the leaders of the 3 parties put together , fwiw

[Sheepwheat]

My kids would like to raise more turkeys and chickens, and one daughter wants to sell her goat milk and cheese, but sm doesn’t allow for it. I do not think it is fair that those who would like to enter the business to sell a differentiated product, are not allowed to and restricted from doing so. It is by and large an inherited business model. That is not an open model. Reminds me of the cwb, in that it is a restriction on what I would like to do with my farm.

Regarding the Swiss dairy with 20 head. I bet if he is making cheese he is making a killing. Value adding here is not allowed. Not right at all.

[Stampsguy]

The dairy industry can afford to put $100 million into lobbying efforts every year so why are we having to pay thru the nose for our dairy products. That’s right, it keeps the eastern politicians pockets full.

I may be corrected on this but I believe New Zealand used to have sm years ago then took it away from their dairy farmers. Some pain at first but now their industry is doing better than ever.