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    #61
    Originally posted by northfarmer View Post
    Great points Vicki.


    Levy collecting groups should be the key funders and supporters of providing legitimate and comprehensive third party evaluation of all crops.

    Included in these trials we must also have all commercially grown varieties no matter how long they have been around to properly benchmark the new ones on a variety of factors not just yield.


    Our various levels of government have backed away from funding these endeavors so farmers with their levy funded organizations need to step up.

    Even for the trait and hybrid business of canola and soybeans. we still do not get enough good third party data on these products.

    We need a more robust and competitive marketplace for the development and commercialization of all major and minor crops to remain competitive globally.

    Forget about government and public breeding. The government is backing away from this and it is not coming back. I am all for government funded open source research for the benefit of industry and agriculture especially, but public breeding with limited germplasm crosses and siloed research are simply often not competitive enough as opposed to privately funded research and varietal development, IMHO.
    Just do your own trials on your own fields using your own methods. You can generally get demo bags if they know you are doing comparisons. Get together with a few neighbors even.

    What we don't need is more useless plot data.

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      #62
      Governments are not backing away from funding research.....they just announced 18 million within the last month and 153 for the super cluster**** and a billion more for that earlier.....

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        #63
        I cannot speak for SK but I know Alberta they have gutted the variety trialing program and levy groups are trying to pick up the slack.

        It is important for farmers to field trial varieties but that is no replacement for properly replicated third party trials that are done in numerous locations and varying geographies.

        I tire of farmers comparing one field of this variety to another field of that variety. Not that there is not some value in those comparisons in a general sense, but not nearly enough valid info. I have planted 32 crops now hope for another dozen more but properly run trials can give me many more plot years of data than I can produce on my own.

        We have put a lot of stock in some of the well run trials by regional research groups that form a subset of the data that goes in the provincial seed guides. It has formed the basis for variety selections that have performed well for us.

        We farm in some of the more northerly latitudes of the prairies and there is no question that results vary based on day length and other factors from one region and province to another.

        These recent announcements for research funding pale in comparison to the inflation adjusted value of primary research, public plant breeding and research farms that the various levels of government once funded, and that money from the government is just not coming back, and as such would not necessarily get my support if it did IMHO.

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          #64
          Producers fund millions every year in levys & royalties a greater % of the money collected needs to be invested in rigorous variety testing, & transparent data with the objective to validate the seed choices we are offered.

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            #65
            Originally posted by westernvicki View Post
            Producers fund millions every year in levys & royalties a greater % of the money collected needs to be invested in rigorous variety testing, & transparent data with the objective to validate the seed choices we are offered.
            Won't happen ...the saskpulse boards attitude is ....if you don't like pulses don't grow them.....they can't be bothered about value as long as they can grow more while making less....

            Mostly because ....whether the board is full of scientists or agrologists or university grads....they have an inheritant sense of being better than every one else....that common growers like myself think that value for my checkoff dollars is still important....and shouldn't bother them....guess what I am not going away....


            How about this ....if I don't like the direction of my checkoff dollars I can have those dollars back....then see what common growers think of their incompetence. ....

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              #66
              I don’t think the big yields are a 100% result of these new varieties, I am not a scientist but have read a couple of views from some scientists claiming the higher C02 levels are making crops more water efficient making them yield more. I for one can’t buy new seed every year it would be convenient but it just doesn’t pencil out. Getting to be way to many parasites in agriculture these days.

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                #67
                We should give them their royalties, RIGHT UP THEIR KEASTERS FOR EASTER! Plant breeding has played right into the cheap food policy and farmers are the losers.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by sumdumguy View Post
                  We should give them their royalties, RIGHT UP THEIR KEASTERS FOR EASTER! Plant breeding has played right into the cheap food policy and farmers are the losers.
                  👍🏻
                  There has been too much taking from the farmer.
                  End point royalties will be the issue that virtually every producer will oppose.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
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                    There has been too much taking from the farmer.
                    End point royalties will be the issue that virtually every producer will oppose.
                    I don’t think we will have a vote on this it will be like everything else we do what
                    We are told.

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                      #70
                      and us sheep keep getting taken to the slaughterhouse by industry. Sooner or later they won't leave us with anything. Sad when China and Russia and Ukraine and South America are handing our idiotic country there lunch. We have one parasite in Canada its industry that feeds off us.

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