Trudeau (Our Idiot) stands alone as Canada — and the world — abandons green energy

[jazz]

The way to effect change is not a regressive tax and distribute scheme. You never punish people for their success.

Instead, you incentivize them. For anybody that takes on an efficiency project that will reduce emissions, they get a tax credit or break. Panels, wind, electric cars, insulation, furnace upgrades, whatever. Then you let people decide. Many will take the tax break and make a change. Some wont. But the money stays here and it is reinvested directly into the economy. The spin offs would be huge. Make it a 10 yr program. Thats what Sheer should be pushing instead of a tax and redistribute scheme.

[jazz]

The other night on 60minutes, Trump said that scientists have an agenda. Of course they do. They get funding and grants directly from govt. They dont create any wealth on their own. They arent risking their own funds like we do. Thats why they are socialists. And they came up with something that can be studied forever and ever and endless cash to it.

Scientists are no snowflakes. They work the system as good as any politician. Now they are in bed with them too.

Why didnt any single one of those thousands of scientists come up with a solution to the problem. I mean Musk is the only guy doing anything practical about it. Why doesnt the govt pay every citazen in the country to plant trees on their property. Or bring back the old shelterbelt programs. Farmers could put up billions of trees along property lines. Declare all diesel and gas to be 50% ethanol and biodiesel. Simplest solutions ignored.

And the one readily available technology we have (nuclear) to offset ommisions was killed by greenpeace 30 yrs ago and again in the IPCC report they warned against it. These guys have no clue. Always a tax.

[Guest]

Pity the whole thread is based on fake news again. Far from the world abandoning green energy it is embracing it like never before. 2017 saw the highest levels of investment in renewables ever. Global investment in solar development alone exceeded that of coal, gas and nuclear combined.
You can sit and tell yourselves that global warming isn't happening and it's all a tax scam and everybody is going back to coal - but it's simply not true.

excuse me ? gonna need some proof on this line of bs
sorry just gotta call BS ,when i see it

[LWeber]

excuse me ? gonna need some proof on this line of bs
sorry just gotta call BS ,when i see it

Unit costs for solar PV projects, which represent 8% of total energy investment worldwide, fell by nearly 15% on average, thanks to lower module prices and a shift in deployment to lower-cost regions.

The share of fossil fuels, including thermal power generation, in energy supply investment rose slightly to 59% as spending in upstream oil and gas increased modestly.



Source: International Energy Agency Reply With Quote

[sumdumguy]

No, it's the science accepted by 97% of the world's scientists. If you want to believe the other 3% that's your choice but it doesn't make your odds of being right very high.

Tell me Grassy, do you think any of these 97% of some kind of “scientists” have given up their cars, their air travel, their air conditioners or their gas barbeques? I bet if you went to 97% of their houses, you wouldn’t see evidence of any carbon saving measures. It’s just as easy for me to make that proclamation as it is for them to unequivocally proclaim that we as human beings are somehow responsible for some imaginery phenomenon. BS.

[Oliver88]

And the one readily available technology we have (nuclear) to offset ommisions was killed by greenpeace 30 yrs ago and again in the IPCC report they warned against it. These guys have no clue. Always a tax.

Great points.
It sure is interesting how the climate alarmists are against the largest way to cut emissions!!!

Nuclear power doesn’t fit into the wealth redistribution planning as well as money pits like solar and wind.

[Hamloc]

This endless debate over whether or not 97% of scientists agree on global warming is I am sorry to say pointless. At the end of the day there is one very simple truth, the continuously escalating carbon tax that is coming whether we like it or not will lower our standard of living. Our lives have been made more prosperous and comfortable through the utilization of fossil fuels. There is very little we do on a daily basis that isn't in one way or another assisted by fossil fuels. When the alternatives are cheaper and more efficient they will replace fossil fuels, until then we will become poorer by being forced to use them. Just my 2 cents.

[RWT101]

It's always such a bitch when reality bites. And hard.

https://www.technocracy.news/germany-abandon-1-1-trillion-wind-power-program-2019/

And as I recall, Germany recorded only 10 hours of actual sunshine the entire month of Dec 2018.

So the solar power angle didn't work worth a plugged nickel either.

Some serious decisions to abandon coal and nuclear for Unicorn farts of wind and solar could lead to some really cold times for some Germans if this winter turns out to be a long and hard one.

This entire BS global warming thing was based on Hoax Hansen in 1988 wrongly attributing the warm decade of the 1980s to CO2 and fossil fuel burning.
It was not.
In fact, the warm 1980s decade was caused by a 1980 sunspot maximum and a rare occurrence of 3 years of El Nino in the middle of it and then a lingering 1989 to 1991 sunspot maximum again.

So all of the 97% of the bobble head scientists are dead ****ing wrong.

It is amazing how such a simple mistake can slip past so many so called 'experts'.

I am amused.

[SASKFARMER3]

The reason for the price gap is no secret: Canada can’t ship the stuff because of inadequate pipeline space. The shortfall is due to politics. A plan to build a pipeline to New Brunswick couldn’t get past premiers in Ontario and Quebec. A proposal for a pipeline across northern British Columbia was scuppered by the Trudeau government. Construction on the Keystone XL line through the U.S. may start next year after delays caused by relentless obstructionism. And the Kinder Morgan pipeline, now owned by the federal government, may or may not ever be built.

The political monkey business might make sense if something was being gained. We could all pat ourselves on the back if, by voluntarily depriving ourselves of a hefty profit, we were serving the environment and the greater good of a sustainable earth. But no, we’re not. What we’re doing is penalizing ourselves for the sheer joy of doing so. Apparently, that makes us feel good as Canadians.he inability to build pipelines hasn’t slowed production at the oilsands, much as activist zealots might wish otherwise. Far from it: one contributing factor to the price gap is the growth in supply. By 2035, Canadian oil output is expected to increase 33 percent. Rather than send it through pipelines that can be carefully monitored, we’re pumping it into massive strings of rail cars to go rumbling across the prairie. Since 2012 oil-by-rail has grown from 30,000 barrels a day to 200,000 barrels a day. Gee, what could go wrong with mile-long stretches of tanker cars snaking across the landscape? Ask the people of Lac Megantic. Pipeline spills can be cleaned up; exploding rail cars risk human lives.

The cost is not just in safety, but in a social disadvantage as well. Every $1 of the price gap costs Alberta’s treasury $210 million. At $50 a barrel that’s more than $10 billion. Think Alberta’s New Democratic Party government would like to have an extra $10 billion for the schools, hospitals, jobs, wages and other benefits it has promised the province’s four million people? Environmentalists, activists and progressives usually champion left-wing leaders like Premier Rachel Notley, but for some reason, when it comes to Alberta, they can’t see past their prejudices.
Canadians are already out $4.5 billion for the non-existent Kinder Morgan pipeline. We’re losing almost $1 billion a month in revenue due to the price gap. We’re shipping crude across the country in railway cars even though we know the potential damage from exploding tankers. None of it is benefiting anyone in any way: the economy is losing out, social programs are being shortchanged, jobs are being lost, and there’s no climate gain to speak of. British Columbia’s government, which is adamantly opposed to another oil pipeline, meanwhile hosts the continent’s biggest coal export terminal and all but danced a jig when a $40 billion liquefied natural gas plant was announced for Kitimat, the same town that refused to consider serving as the Kinder Morgan endpoint. Guess where the natural gas will come from: northern B.C. and Alberta. By pipeline. Across two mountain ranges.

No wonder the U.S. assumed it could bamboozle us over a new trade deal. Any country that puts so much effort into defeating its own interests must look like easy pickings.

[grassfarmer]

...And as I recall, Germany recorded only 10 hours of actual sunshine the entire month of Dec 2018...
..It is amazing how such a simple mistake can slip past so many so called 'experts'.

I am amused.

So am I - how much sunshine did we get that month? Thanks in advance.

[fjlip]

So all of the 97% of the bobble head scientists are dead ****ing wrong.

And otherwise reasonable thinking people swallow such SHIT like candy!

[sumdumguy]

Calgary Herold headline says Saudis can send price of oil soaring and Canada has no insurance policy.

What do you say to that?

[furrowtickler]

It's always such a bitch when reality bites. And hard.

https://www.technocracy.news/germany-abandon-1-1-trillion-wind-power-program-2019/

And as I recall, Germany recorded only 10 hours of actual sunshine the entire month of Dec 2018.

So the solar power angle didn't work worth a plugged nickel either.

Some serious decisions to abandon coal and nuclear for Unicorn farts of wind and solar could lead to some really cold times for some Germans if this winter turns out to be a long and hard one.

This entire BS global warming thing was based on Hoax Hansen in 1988 wrongly attributing the warm decade of the 1980s to CO2 and fossil fuel burning.
It was not.
In fact, the warm 1980s decade was caused by a 1980 sunspot maximum and a rare occurrence of 3 years of El Nino in the middle of it and then a lingering 1989 to 1991 sunspot maximum again.

So all of the 97% of the bobble head scientists are dead ****ing wrong.

It is amazing how such a simple mistake can slip past so many so called 'experts'.

I am amused.

I find it amazing that hardly anyone talks about solar output at all in any of this... the number one most important factor gets a zero factor... that’s the saddest part of this whole thing with the climate change scam .

[furrowtickler]

The absolute number one thing that has driven life on this planet for a couple billion years, the suns output, has been thrown under the bus for a carbon tax scam for wealth redistribution amongst the middle class and the poor while the elites and heads of governments laugh their ass off and fly Massaritti’s to their conferences in poor countries...... really wtf is the matter with people ... no one can think straight any more...
Yes we need to absolutely control pollution and waste , but really the very people preaching is what we should do are 1000 times worse and has zero intention of ever changing at all ... ever !!

[RWT101]

So grassy, you don't believe the 10 hours of sunshine in Germany for December 2017, eh?

http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/03/dark-days-for-german-solar-power-country-saw-only-10-hours-of-sun-in-all-of-december/ http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/03/dark-days-for-german-solar-power-country-saw-only-10-hours-of-sun-in-all-of-december/

As I pointed out before, it is down right stupid and futile for any country north of 40 degrees latitude to pretend they can emulate a country near the equator. Canada is not Australia.

And politicians, like PM Little Pierre and Climate Barbie, who think that more and more tax dollars can make us the same, are scientifically illiterate.

Cheers