Carbon tax on fertilizer

[Guest]

Instead of Charlie Brown look at Gabe Brown. Try to keep up.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/86717226/gabe-browns-five-keys-to-soil-health

Carbon tax was abolished in austrailia as it will be here
try to stay focused
sorry you couldn't make it farming , has made you bitter

[chuckChuck]

BC has had a carbon tax for 10 years! Has it fallen into the ocean yet? It has a strong and growing economy. All this doom and gloom you would think that an asteroid is heading for earth. Get a grip.

Preston Manning, Michael Chong, The CD Howe Institute, and numerous Corporations support a carbon tax as the best market driven option to speed up the transition to using less fossil energy.

This is going to be a long transition and most of us will be long gone before we stop using fossil energy.

Prime Minister Steven Harper even signed a G7 agreement saying Canada would stop using fossil energy by the year 2100.

Don't rely on politicians who depend on the oil industry "donations" to do your thinking for you. The oil industry has been ripping us off for ever and not even adequately paying to clean up their mess.

Saudi Arabia is already planning to diversify their economy away from oil.

Norway has over a trillion dollars in savings from their oil boom and is one of the leaders in reducing carbon emissions in Europe. It is also one of the best places to live in the world. We mismanaged and continue to mismanage our resource sector and have little to show for it.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Forget that baloney. There is no money in leaving idle farmland. There is rent/mortgage/taxes. Fuel for tillage , land erosion. One third to half the yeild of best management practices and the world will starve.

Has anyone done the math on net CO2 emissions per acre on an organic farm with tillage vs. a conventional no-till farm with inputs?

[blackpowder]

That son of a bitch all all his ****ing minions on the radio all day saying we will all get back more than we pay are absolutely EVIL! And not one interviewer will ask WTF how can we get back more than we pay? If so why bother or how the hell will that change anyone's actions? And CO2 is POLLUTION is repeated in every sentence and NO interviewer will dare say IT IS NOT Pollution but essential to all life on earth!! Total Morons all Liberal SOB's and every media hack!

Yup. A sell job.

[Guest]

We are a lot like austrailia
IT WONT LAST
Dont lose any sleep over it
All the people that believe it will do some good are probably gonna make money off it
And for the dumb ****s that believe the provinces will get it all back ;
Ask yourself this question , “have you ever saw any federal program that wasnt at least half eaten by admin costs ?????”

[blackpowder]

Revenue neutral tax is by far and away, the dumbest thing I've ever heard and a testimony to the gullibility of the general public and their public servants. Talk about the emperor having no clothes.
If I were PM for a day, one thing I would do is scrap income tax deductions all together.
If people had to write a check at the end of the year for their taxes can you imagine the commotion??? It would be hilarious. Think about it while you sit with the other boiling frogs.

[furrowtickler]

BC has had a carbon tax for 10 years! Has it fallen into the ocean yet? It has a strong and growing economy. All this doom and gloom you would think that an asteroid is heading for earth. Get a grip.

Preston Manning, Michael Chong, The CD Howe Institute, and numerous Corporations support a carbon tax as the best market driven option to speed up the transition to using less fossil energy.

This is going to be a long transition and most of us will be long gone before we stop using fossil energy.

Prime Minister Steven Harper even signed a G7 agreement saying Canada would stop using fossil energy by the year 2100.

Don't rely on politicians who depend on the oil industry "donations" to do your thinking for you. The oil industry has been ripping us off for ever and not even adequately paying to clean up their mess.

Saudi Arabia is already planning to diversify their economy away from oil.

Norway has over a trillion dollars in savings from their oil boom and is one of the leaders in reducing carbon emissions in Europe. It is also one of the best places to live in the world. We mismanaged and continue to mismanage our resource sector and have little to show for it.

Every industry in BC can offset the carbon tax ... we will have to bear the brunt as farmers full on with no offset . Huge difference. The carbon tax on fert and fuel alone will be a huge cost ... all for nothing , zero climate change and that will show in an extremely depleted income for us , only for others to benefit.
All for nothing .

[RWT101]

CC, telling us to look at BC. Its blah,blah blah heaven with a really nice carbon tax.....

CC you have not looked very closely BC to understand what these guys are telling you.
We are two different worlds.

BC has about 4.5 mil people.
The vast majority which is packed in the lower mainland, an area about 300 mi square.
There is not a city over 70000 out side of the Lower Mainland.

And the south coast has a warmer summer Mediterranean type climate.
A portion of which is the mildest climate in Canada.
Which is why electric cars are big out there.

BCs largest and most lucrative business over the last ten years or so has been munney laundering and corruption.
I'm sure they will rename their province Big Crime.
OK, I'm kidding just a little.


OTOH, AB and SK have thinner pops spread out over huge distances with no Skyway to take.
Did Greyhound quit because they saw all the extra carbon tax cost coming?
You bet they did. They are not stupid. They are business people.

Both AB and SK have a much different climate than BC.
I lived thru a January in northern AB where the temp went down to -40C to -45C for 9 of 14 days.
Our businesses like those in Ft Mc suffer thru terrible cold working conditions to make sure some ungrateful city folk can swill their lattes in comfort.
So much of our prairie business has to be done the winter.

Saying BC is like the prairies is like saying Canada is California. Apples and oranges.

Besides the CO2 scare is still the WORLD'S GREATEST HOAX.

[Oliver88]

What will the failed carbon tax add to the price of NH3?

[farmaholic]

What will the failed carbon tax add to the price of NH3?

Even if it gets repealed I bet expenses will get ratcheted up because of it and they won't come down to pre-imposed carbon tax levels.....be damned if Industry will give up the total gain.

Spring pricing is elusive...does anyone know where it's going for sure? I assume higher but how much more could it go. We are already paying about 25% more than last year....is it because of Industry consolidation, a "real" lack of supply or did it go up in anticipation of that ****en carbon tax.

Like I said, it feels like 2008 again but not to that extreme....but Urea does seem over priced.