Carbon tax on fertilizer

[furrowtickler]

Hey maybe most of you guys will quit using gly and GM technology and cut back on the fossil fuel acid based ferts and then you'll have a worldwide market again for your crops. No more complaining, great

Hey Mr know it all , like chuck, maybe just maybe some of us are already there ..... maybe some of you need to pull your head out of your ass and ask questions first before generalizing every farmer in western Canada as some climate killing ,Monsanto loving zombie .

[jimmy]

Do you think there will be more plow down, green manure/feed crops in the future reducing fertilizer use and maybe reducing grain yields that may increase price of grain?

It will help get the price up some what but the government led by the UN will never let grain value be more than what it should be because the majority of the people that need it can’t afford it now. The UN and all governments have farmers ranchers exactly where they want them cash strapped and in dept with no means of organizing to control their own destiny. Now with royalties on seed they are gaining more control. We as grain growers do not need higher yielding low value crops they are costing us more on freight storage and fertilizer. Just my opinion

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I don’t want to sound evil but it’s going to take a world famine to get rid of these taxing spenders. I don’t see how taxing people broke will help clean up the environment every poor country I have been in is littered with garbage. If people including farmers have disposable income they are always looking for news way to be more efficient.

Good post jimmy , very true
Its got nothing with the environment , unfortunately

[jimmy]

Forget that baloney. There is no money in leaving idle farmland. There is rent/mortgage/taxes. Fuel for tillage , land erosion. One third to half the yeild of best management practices and the world will starve.

I don’t want to sound evil but it’s going to take a world famine to get rid of these taxing spenders. I don’t see how taxing people broke will help clean up the environment every poor country I have been in is littered with garbage. If people including farmers have disposable income they are always looking for news way to be more efficient.

[burnt]

About that carbon tax on fertilizer - imagine trying to compete with countries who have sane and stable governments (non-carbon taxing economies) after the Liberals full intentions come into effect - 50-75 cents/litre (or more) carbon tax on fuels, and the compounded effect on freighting inputs and commodities through a bottleneck-type transportation system...

"As The New York Times recently reported, “the United Nations report estimated that governments would need to impose effective carbon prices of $135 to $5,500 per ton of carbon dioxide pollution by 2030 to keep overall global warming below 1.5 degrees Celsius, or 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit.”

That would be the same fear-mongering UN report that tells us if we don’t act within the next 12 years there will be irreversible catastrophe."

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-canadas-carbon-tax-could-go-much-higher-after-2022-review https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-canadas-carbon-tax-could-go-much-higher-after-2022-review

If you are wondering how they think this could work - the simple answer is - they don't think it will, and that is their purpose. It is a deliberate attempt at stalling the best economies in the world.

To want to believe otherwise is just a matter of not understanding the capacity of evil.

Canada is likely the only country in the world that will pursue this idiocy.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Perfect and timely example of how effective green energy is at replacing nuclear in Japan. 3.7% utilization rate. Will take a lot of them to power a fleet of hydrogen powered or electric cars.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/27/national/fukushima-wind-turbine-symbol-tohoku-earthquake-recovery-removed/#.W9nrTKfMzUK https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/27/national/fukushima-wind-turbine-symbol-tohoku-earthquake-recovery-removed/#.W9nrTKfMzUK

All of your pie in the sky green energy notions sound really promising, but as yet, the results in the real world are starkly disappointing. Which is why Japan is increasingly relying on fossil fuels.

[burnt]

Hydro is a good renewable source but has some big environmental costs. We already have a lot in Canada especially in Quebec and Manitoba. We could import more from Manitoba in to Saskatchewan.

Nuclear is one of the most expensive options and we still don't have a good option for waste storage.

Alberta 5, Japan was very dependent on nuclear until they found out how dangerous it is in an earthquake prone region of the world.

Japanese cars and technology will not only be used in Japan, but as they are now, sold all over the world including areas where the sun shines bright almost everyday.

The point is, the earth is not short of energy choices.

The green energy bashers love to make a black and white arguments that green energy will not work ignoring the reality that we already have lots of renewables and many more being built everyday. We can adopt sensible green energy options and at the same time still use other sources during our transition.

There are a lot of solar panels being installed or already installed across Saskatchewan. If you price it out over the 30 year panel lifespan you will see it is much cheaper than Saskpower rates which are 11.8 cents per kwh for farms and over 14 cents per kwh for residences. To say it doesn't work in Saskpower's grid tied net metering program is wrong and you don't know what you are talking about. Solar generation still requires grid tied base load but when the sun is shining base load sources can save fuel or hydro.

Typical falsehoods used and proliferated by the trolls, bots and useful idiots who shill for the UN and so-called "progressives". No consistent rationale whatsoever.

This "useful idiot", otherwise-uselss chuckChuck poster has now earned an "Ignore". Have fun posting your falsehoods unhindered, troll.

[chuckChuck]

Hydro is a good renewable source but has some big environmental costs. We already have a lot in Canada especially in Quebec and Manitoba. We could import more from Manitoba in to Saskatchewan.

Nuclear is one of the most expensive options and we still don't have a good option for waste storage.

Alberta 5, Japan was very dependent on nuclear until they found out how dangerous it is in an earthquake prone region of the world.

Japanese cars and technology will not only be used in Japan, but as they are now, sold all over the world including areas where the sun shines bright almost everyday.

The point is, the earth is not short of energy choices.

The green energy bashers love to make a black and white arguments that green energy will not work ignoring the reality that we already have lots of renewables and many more being built everyday. We can adopt sensible green energy options and at the same time still use other sources during our transition.

There are a lot of solar panels being installed or already installed across Saskatchewan. If you price it out over the 30 year panel lifespan you will see it is much cheaper than Saskpower rates which are 11.8 cents per kwh for farms and over 14 cents per kwh for residences. To say it doesn't work in Saskpower's grid tied net metering program is wrong and you don't know what you are talking about. Solar generation still requires grid tied base load but when the sun is shining base load sources can save fuel or hydro.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Their is a vast and almost unlimited amount of solar energy hitting earth everyday that can be used to make hydrogen. Most of the worlds population lives where solar energy resources are very large.

Whether hydrogen is the best option for Toyota or another form of portable energy we will see.

There are vast amounts of geo-thermal energy in the earths core and outer layers. There are also vast amounts of wind, wave and tidal energy.

Fossil energy has been relatively cheap and relatively easy to use. So we have hardly needed to use other obvious sources at our disposal. But fossil energy comes with lots of external costs including air pollution and climate change.

Nobody is suggesting we are not going to be using some fossil energy for several more decades.

It may take many decades to transition to large amounts of cleaner forms of low carbon energy. But that transition has begun.

You chose an improbable poster child. Japan is in the process of exchanging the only viable, sustainable, no emissions power generation method available, for fossil fuels instead. Until that trend reverses, their hydrogen vehicles will be indirectly powered by fossil fuels, with drastic losses in efficiency, and therefore increases in emissions. Unless of course the green energy zealots are successful in having the laws of thermodynamics overturned in the mean time, as they seem quite determined to do.