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    Farm-saved seed royalties are next battleground! F#$K YOU enough is enough.

    Get ready for a heated debate over royalty payments on farm-saved seed. This contentious issue will be a centre of attention for the Canadian grain sector over the winter.

    All the players in the seed industry make a strong case for why more funding is needed for wheat and other cereals, and the same model could end up being applied to other crops as well.

    Canola is the exception. With canola, the vast majority of seed is purchased every year. Hybrids dominate, which eliminates saving your own seed even if you were allowed. On top of that, seed treatments for canola must be commercially applied.
    Presto, there’s a lucrative revenue stream and companies tripping over themselves to come out with better varieties. Producers gripe about the ever-increasing cost of canola seed, but they keep buying because the crop is typically a top money earner, even after paying dearly for the seed every year.

    In contrast, industry estimates put certified seed use at only 20 or 25 percent for wheat. Producers will buy certified seed of a new variety and save their own seed for a number of subsequent years before trying out a new variety.

    According to researchers and seed companies, there just isn’t enough money to fund good breeding programs. This has spurred the development of proposals on how to collect royalties on farm-saved seed.

    The proposal would apply to newer varieties covered under the updated Plant Breeders’ Rights Act. The money would flow to both private and public plant breeding institutions.

    Two potential models have been forwarded to focus discussions.

    One of them allows for a national non-refundable levy on all the newer varieties. These royalties would then be forwarded to the breeders based on their market share.
    The proposal calls for the existing provincial check-off systems to be leveraged for collection. Many wonder about check-off fatigue.

    It’s interesting to note that while the Plant Breeders’ Rights Act allows for end-point royalties, you can’t have an end-point royalty in a year when you’ve charged a royalty on the certified seed.

    The other model is royalty collection enabled by contracts. When buying seed of a new variety, a producer would have to sign a contract agreeing to pay a trailing royalty on farm-saved seed. Part of the contractual obligation would be reporting the annual use of the farm-saved seed.

    This sort of contractual arrangement could be done without any amendments to the regulations of the act. However, many in the seed sector believe it would be best to have regulations to bring about some consistency and standardization.

    When Canada updated its Plant Breeders’ Rights Act to be compliant with the international standard called UPOV 91, the right for farmers to save their own seed was enshrined in the legislation. In fact, the provision was used to diffuse opposition.
    The seed sector should expect the opposition to be reinvigorated and broader now that there’s money at stake.

    The federal government has continued to put money into wheat breeding and hopefully, that will continue. However, it’s naive to believe that public money will greatly increase in the years ahead.

    There’s no free lunch.

    Private companies will invest in wheat and barley only if they have a way to generate sufficient revenue. Unfortunately, for farmers who feel that everyone has a hand in their pocket, that’s a tough pill to swallow.

    It's So sad that in this Country the Pigs at the trough get all the gravy instead of shoot shovel and shut up like other countries that are handing stupid Canadian Ag sector its lunch.

    More money from Farmers for useless fools to sit and party and create the same shit over and over with different names but no real promise of anything. One Company that is behind this sits on the advisory board. HM and farmers will win, Yea Right well get screwed over again.

    Ag in Canada is Dying and the Parasites are winning. Its time for farmers to stick together and tell the parasites we have had enough.

    Do you honestly think Russia or Ukraine or South America are really living up and being honest with Seed.

    You have to be a real special person to believe that.

    Here is your sign.

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    #2
    Next battleground? hardly this battle was fought and lost years ago. The agreements are in place, they have the right to charge end point royalties. Most farmers were asleep at the wheel when it happened. You let your organizations support UPOV91 while the NFU stood alone in opposing it. Now you get to live with the consequences.

    Maybe instead focus on Gene drive while there is still time to do something about it?
    http://www.agriville.com/threads/37208-gene-drive http://https://www.agriville.com/threads/37208-gene-drive

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      #3
      The irony of your thread, Sask, is who are the paid advertisements down the sidebar of the thread. Mine shows three different seed companies. Like the machinery companies, they have figured it out that you can probably set your price wherever and farmers will pay. I know Jag gave a good rundown on what it cost to produce seed but it is quickly getting out of hand with big companies eyeing yet another lucrative market that they can put the screws to, us, the farmers.

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        #4
        Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
        Next battleground? hardly this battle was fought and lost years ago. The agreements are in place, they have the right to charge end point royalties. Most farmers were asleep at the wheel when it happened. You let your organizations support UPOV91 while the NFU stood alone in opposing it. Now you get to live with the consequences.

        Maybe instead focus on Gene drive while there is still time to do something about it?
        http://www.agriville.com/threads/37208-gene-drive http://https://www.agriville.com/threads/37208-gene-drive

        Yup the dummies that were whispering in Ritz's ear for an open market also were patting him on the back for this **** up as well....but they were larks for the corporate that supported their efforts...

        You don't hear them defend their incompetence much here anymore....

        And I will put up my hand and say I was duped by the promise of an open and transparent market that is available south of us...

        I won't say that the previous system didn't need changing but it went right off the cliff....zero checks and balances on anything Yerry did...

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          #5
          SF3....poke poke...you thinking of buying an NFU membership?????

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            #6
            I assume the "OWNERS" of those seed rights will be willing to be responsible for any market destruction from the advent of THEIR product. But I would bet the farm there will be disclaimers and use at your own risk clauses in the agreements when you buy the seed....no signature...no seed.

            Oh oh oh, ...and the perfect system was put in place to ensure full adoption of new varieties governed by the new rules by de-registering and old varieties.

            Grassy, I don't think anyone here was sleeping at the wheel, they feed us what they want us to eat!!! We could have marched on the Hill and nothing would have changed.

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              #7
              If plant breeding isn’t or can’t keep up in Canada,too expensive or not enough dollars, maybe the breeding, growing distribution should originate in other countries?

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                #8
                Originally posted by farmaholic View Post
                I assume the "OWNERS" of those seed rights will be willing to be responsible for any market destruction from the advent of THEIR product. But I would bet the farm there will be disclaimers and use at your own risk clauses in the agreements when you buy the seed....no signature...no seed.

                Oh oh oh, ...and the perfect system was put in place to ensure full adoption of new varieties governed by the new rules by de-registering and old varieties.

                Grassy, I don't think anyone here was sleeping at the wheel, they feed us what they want us to eat!!! We could have marched on the Hill and nothing would have changed.

                Do you remember the triffid event....somehow I remember very well who absorbed the loss of market and the testing bill....

                Not one ****ing scientist lifted his hand as to what happened....explains why I don't care for scientists and their funding lately...

                The " I don't know" answer is getting old...

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                  #9
                  Sask3 I certainly agree that end point royalties are another added cost that we don't need. How many additional costs do government and industry believe we can pay before it just doesn't make cents any more?

                  Sask3 I do have a swather question. I run a 2009 Massey with a 5200 header. In the picture yours appears to have a 5300 header. I had a hell of a time cutting my flat wheat with the swather, it was actually easier with the combines with honeybee headers. So a couple of questions. Have you used the older 5200 header and is the 5300 better? Do you run lifters? I use McKay stubby lifters, they do help. Trying to decide between getting an updated header which will take a bit of work to put on as the 5300 has a single point hook up or buy a macdon swather. I have a discbine head for mine for cutting hay which works great and my tractor unit only has about 550 hrs. on it so not anxious to sell it. Your input would be appreciated.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rareearth View Post
                    If plant breeding isn’t or can’t keep up in Canada,too expensive or not enough dollars, maybe the breeding, growing distribution should originate in other countries?
                    a lot is already done in other countries ....insteresting other countries that don't have the seed costs/user fees attached to them...

                    Plenty of money if you consolidate the number of varieties available...

                    How many farms grow 3 or more different varieties of wheat in a single year....Most I do is 2 ...one for the existing variety I am using and a small field for the new seed....that may end...

                    Durum varieties hang on longer here and with the latest buyer grade seeming to be a 5cwad or better ...whats the point in buying new seed????

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by farmaholic View Post
                      I assume the "OWNERS" of those seed rights will be willing to be responsible for any market destruction from the advent of THEIR product. But I would bet the farm there will be disclaimers and use at your own risk clauses in the agreements when you buy the seed....no signature...no seed.

                      Oh oh oh, ...and the perfect system was put in place to ensure full adoption of new varieties governed by the new rules by de-registering and old varieties.

                      Grassy, I don't think anyone here was sleeping at the wheel, they feed us what they want us to eat!!! We could have marched on the Hill and nothing would have changed.
                      Agreed farma ,but why was the nfu the only one opposing it
                      Most of our “farm groups” were helping them steal from us

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rareearth View Post
                        If plant breeding isn’t or can’t keep up in Canada,too expensive or not enough dollars, maybe the breeding, growing distribution should originate in other countries?
                        It appears we have decent wheat, barley and oats varieties already.
                        Why is it necessary for the seed industry to extract even more $ from the farmer?

                        If our seed industry figures they need to clean out our bank accounts more maybe it is time to use US varieties and remove the border for all grain classes.

                        Enough is enough.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
                          It appears we have decent wheat, barley and oats varieties already.
                          Why is it necessary for the seed industry to extract even more $ from the farmer?

                          If our seed industry figures they need to clean out our bank accounts more maybe it is time to use US varieties and remove the border for all grain classes.

                          Enough is enough.
                          A North American solution to grain on this continent....interesting concept...would probably reduce red tape and politics in the grain industry and bring actual international grading standards to Canada....instead of eye of the beholder grading....same bag of wheat with 3 different grades?????

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by caseih View Post
                            Agreed farma ,but why was the nfu the only one opposing it
                            Most of our “farm groups” were helping them steal from us
                            Easy.... the people who were "advising" ("representing" farmers) felt sooooo important to have the ears of Ministers. A huge ego stroking and feelings of self importance... better than the outspoken opinionated Keyboard Warriors on Agriville. Just who's "best interest" did they have at heart? YesMen are so much more easy to manipulate than the adversarial type that like to stand up for themselves. If there was enough opposition we might still be hammering out the details today instead of anticipating swallowing the bitter medicine.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by farmaholic View Post
                              Easy.... the people who were "advising" ("representing" farmers) felt sooooo important to have the ears of Ministers. A huge ego stroking and feelings of self importance... better than the outspoken opinionated Keyboard Warriors on Agriville. Just who's "best interest" did they have at heart? YesMen are so much more easy to manipulate than the adversarial type that like to stand up for themselves. If there was enough opposition we might still be hammering out the details today instead of anticipating swallowing the bitter medicine.
                              Yup ...exactly....and now these guys want to become or now are MLAs.....getting their strings pulled....one alberta second generation politician use to work in Ottawa in Ritz's office...

                              Not sure what guys get out of smelling politicians farts...kissing their asses...and still have the nerve to say they are representing farmers.
                              Last edited by bucket; Oct 29, 2018, 07:37.

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