A chance to act on seed saving/end point royalties etc

[wd9]

Would there be both end royalty, or just end point royalty? The latter does make a lot of sense as long as that is the only royalty.

Consultations, that's funny, like you're going to change anything. Hilarious! They are called justification meetings saying they met and talked with farmers. It's already all written up.

[Guest]

So ask for your check off money back from all the ****ing leaches that sat on their asses and let this happen
Ask your RM why they are still supporting APAS?

[farmaholic]

Consultations, that's funny, like you're going to change anything. Hilarious! They are called justification meetings saying they met and talked with farmers. It's already all written up.

Exactly, they feed us what they want us to eat, they don't ask...they tell! Your going to eat it AND like it. Two choices...take it or leave it. It's a force feèding or a hunger strike...either way....


Open wide, here comes the Choo chòo train.

[sumdumguy]

So ask for your check off money back from all the ****ing leaches that sat on their asses and let this happen
Ask your RM why they are still supporting APAS?

Anyone running for RM council should be asked the question, “Will you support our RM buying into APAS? “ “If you do, you are not getting my frickin vote-Period”.

[sawfly1]

It is not like we were not warned about this.

I Do not know if we could have stopped it anyway.

We have to realize who we are dealing with. These companies are bigger than a lot of country's.

And they pay good money to have the ear of govt.s around the world.
Europe US and Canada too.

These UPOV regulations were written by the seed Co.s
Then with the right connections , they get the bought and sold govt.s to make them law.
Simple as that



Your gov. Pretended
you had a say. But you didn't.

The big lie has been the same all along.
We will guarantee you can plant
Your own seed.

They just failed to mention that you will never own a seed newer than 1985 again.

And at that ,they will do everything in their power to eliminate the old ones too.

Lots of blame to go round, and they love it when we fight amongst ourselves.
Let's them do whatever they want.
There were some real suckers wheat growers, seed growers etc.
But even if ,they were not total sellouts. It probably would not have mattered.

What now. At
Stop the infighting . pulse growers APAS. Etc.
That is exactly. What they want us to do.

Concentrate on the real enemy.
The corporations that are trying to enslave you and the consumer.
And the politicians that
Enable them.

When they own every seed, they will decide , what your cut will be.

Sure They will leave you enough to survive. Maybe.

got to keep the money coming in. Right

The consumer will ultimately pay this ransom.

The whole thing is just wrong.

At minimum farmers have to have free access to any /all off patent seed.

More important to the consumer than even us.

That is the ultimate big brother , control of every seed on the planet.

The only solution is
Free access to all off patent
Seeds

Then the seed Co.s can charge
Whatever they want for the improvements they have made.
And have them protected for 20 years.

The marketplace will reward them
For their work. For the value they add.

That is how it is supposed to work.

If they can extract every last dime from farmers and consumer's.
With 10 -20 year old varieties.
Why bother doing research for better ones.

[farmaholic]

I can see the seed business going a couple of different directions...at first there could be a tidal wave of new releases...all SeedCo breeders wanting a piece of the action...all making "claims" there seed is superior to the "competition's"(ah-hem gag choke puke).

Then when they have everyone accustomed to paying for seed every year, either through end point royalties or farm saved seed royalties, they will throttle back on breeding "new" varieties and milk dry their current ones they have full control over.

Then you will get the onslaught of varieties that promises to be better than the current ones...for more money...of course. Sound familiar...like the canola seed model. Rebranding and renaming the same old shit for more money with little product improvement.

Or remember Liberty 5440. When it first came out it sold for about $8/lb. It was a fairly good variety and it lasted long enough in the market that that same variety was selling for about $11/lb when they finally decided to discontinue it. The price of it was dragged up with be ever increasing price of the "new and improved" successors. The Seedco was doing so well with it they even resurrected it because they were going to discontinue it...why not...they were selling an old variety at the new price without having to invest anymore money into it.

Don't get me wrong there has been advancements in canola varieties from the first ones put out but according to the advertising propaganda and seed trial data the yeilds should be "exponentially" higher...like the seed costs are...LOL!!!!!

[bucket]

Yup. Big bad agribusiness company spend $100 of millions to create a new variety so you can buy 100 bus of seed for $1000 and clean it forever.

There was close to 10 billion dollars left in the field after the shitty weather in September and October and this is the way people justify ensuring agribusiness gets more of our dollars


Not one ****ing variety maintained grade or yield by sitting out weathering....so we should give them more....

Without performance guarantees and acceptance of responsibility of dud varieties or **** ups like the Triffid adventure they can't really ask for more....

The triffid event cost my farm 10s of thousand of dollars between testing, new varieties or reconstituted varieties and more importantly lost markets....the bill came to me ...not the scientists or agribusinesses that spent the so called 100s of millions using checkoff dollars and taxpayer dollars to create the ****ing mess...

None of them were held responsible....this idea of more costs to the farm is off base...

Unless you enjoy the idea of the Syngenta lawsuit to settle everything...maybe you like lawyers fees...just another cost to the farm that doesn't help overall production...

these so called agribusinesses that spend 100s of millions for new varieties ....AGT never paid full development costs of their private label King Red lentils and neither did any other processor that got private label varieties financed through saskpulse checkoffs...

Try again????

And when do the agribusinesses pay for their misleading advertising when a variety comes up short of their claims.....is that written into the new law....recalls and reimbursement for their ****ups????

[grassfarmer]

Grassy, every time one of the bulls that you bought sires a calf on your farm do you have to send the breeder a "royalty" when you sell it's progeny? Or do you have to send the breeder a per cow breeding fee for every cow he impregnated? Year in year out....

I'm not a bull buyer I'm a seedstock bull seller. There is a parallel in the cattle business - where people sell semen off a bull that is promoted as being "a great one". Customers pay for the semen then pay again if they want to register a calf off it - a $50 or $100 "certificate fee". I'm the other way - breeding the genetics as good as we can to work in a real world environment and then pricing them low so that the commercial rancher can make money off them.
That's why we should have public plant breeding.

[bucket]

I'm not a bull buyer I'm a seedstock bull seller. There is a parallel in the cattle business - where people sell semen off a bull that is promoted as being "a great one". Customers pay for the semen then pay again if they want to register a calf off it - a $50 or $100 "certificate fee". I'm the other way - breeding the genetics as good as we can to work in a real world environment and then pricing them low so that the commercial rancher can make money off them.
That's why we should have public plant breeding.

When you buy a purebred bull and he performs well..when he is done he is still worth something....

Not so in buying new seed with these royalties attached ....it becomes worthless to the average grain farmer...by either deregistering it or by having to buy another lease on a new variety...

Maybe thats where the ****heads get their ideas ...leasing trucks or seed...whats the difference ?

[jazz]

There is a solution. Go around the canadian terminal system. Cant apply a seed royalty to what doesnt arrive at the pit.

Let the chinese take it out in containers or truck it to ND. Our transport costs would be less taking it out on the Mississippi anyway than banging our heads against the rockies.