A chance to act on seed saving/end point royalties etc

[bucket]

Walk

"Yup. Big bad agribusiness company spend $100 of millions to create a new variety so you can buy 100 bus of seed for $1000 and clean it forever."

No surprise you would get a response from any member of the WCWGA such as this. Seems a few of them attended Syngenta’s Grower University 1 & 2.

So of course the former students at Syngenta Grower University are not going to forget who to defend in UPOV '91 Plant Breeders Rights Act.

I'll be willing to bet the farm that WCWGA receives funding from many large Agro business' to lobby governments on their behalf to get their agendas heard and put through. We all know how the WCWGA had the ear of Ritz Cracker the whole time he was Ag minister. How many Ag programs were cut during the Ostrich Farmers reign?


SK 3 started this thread Oct 29 "Farm-saved seed royalties are next battleground! F#$K YOU enough is enough."

Never heard a peep from Walk concerning that thread, but when Grassy brings it forward and mentions the NFU and L Weber shoot's him down, low and behold Walk appears.

I guess it must have been Walk's week off from reading Agriville when Sk3 started his thread and he just must have miss it. We've been bless with Walk's present twice in a week, lucky us.

Thats it ...now I get it ...wasnt sure sure but the WCWGA won't defend their absolute incompetence as a lark to Gerry Ritz on behalf of their funding partners...

They will gladly walk into the chamber and unfortunately for the rest of us to our demise as well...

"""Fool me once shame on you,,, fool me twice shame on me....""

[bucket]

Yup. Big bad agribusiness company spend $100 of millions to create a new variety so you can buy 100 bus of seed for $1000 and clean it forever.

Thats your argument ...holy ****....Farmers spend billions every ****ing year and there is no guarantee they get that money back....

Seems you don't understand something....the primary producer has to make money for the rest of the system to function properly....and that may include some adhoc payments from governments occasionally...

No different that Bombardier, the railways , the graincos, etc etc etc....No capitalist business in Canada works without help available from government.....Not one.

[vvalk]

Thats your argument ...holy ****....Farmers spend billions every ****ing year and there is no guarantee they get that money back....

Seems you don't understand something....the primary producer has to make money for the rest of the system to function properly....and that may include some adhoc payments from governments occasionally...

No different that Bombardier, the railways , the graincos, etc etc etc....No capitalist business in Canada works without help available from government.....Not one.

Yes that is my argument. You have never gone to a seed grower and picked up a 3 ton of seed. Grow it on 40 or 80 acres to clean seed for the 1500 or 2000 acres and then clean that seed for the next 3-5 years. You expect companies to invest in research with a model like that. No one is forcing you to buy or pay end point rolaties on any seed. Your free to use existing varieties. Why not bitch about the WGRF and all the stolen farmers money they have? Where are their new varieties or beeeding programs?
Most on here bitch about canola seed costs and the whole system yet bitch that rotations are pushed too far and that if we lose canola do to clubroot we are in trouble since canola is our most profitable crop. Which is it? Newest most expensive varieties always sell out first
Lastly on comments against the Wcwga. Do you think the very successful farmer directors, who spend their own money to sit on that board do to budget restrictions, want to see profits reduced?

[bucket]

Yes that is my argument. You have never gone to a seed grower and picked up a 3 ton of seed. Grow it on 40 or 80 acres to clean seed for the 1500 or 2000 acres and then clean that seed for the next 3-5 years. You expect companies to invest in research with a model like that. No one is forcing you to buy or pay end point rolaties on any seed. Your free to use existing varieties. Why not bitch about the WGRF and all the stolen farmers money they have? Where are their new varieties or beeeding programs?
Most on here bitch about canola seed costs and the whole system yet bitch that rotations are pushed too far and that if we lose canola do to clubroot we are in trouble since canola is our most profitable crop. Which is it? Newest most expensive varieties always sell out first
Lastly on comments against the Wcwga. Do you think the very successful farmer directors, who spend their own money to sit on that board do to budget restrictions, want to see profits reduced?

Fair comments but answer these for the Pro side of this debate...I watched the Munk debate the other night so I am thinking of following that in another thread .....

1. Who pays for the varietal duds that show up time to time ? I can name two instances that the developer or seed grower onset pick up varietal duds....the primary producer does...misleading advertising?

2. Who pays for the **** up like the triffid issue...the government didn't help one primary producer out on that.

3. Should their be a rethink of funding...I will concede the WGRF extracts too much of farmers money but then again so does the CGC...we can agree on that...

4. Do we need all these checkoffs and then still pay higher prices for seed consider our upfront "seed" money to start the process?

[bucket]

One other comment is that our so called customers don't want quality nor quantity any more...

Durum isn't moving and neither are pulses....Maybe a reset is required as to where our dollars are going to help move these volumes....

Seems senseless that we had a reputation of high quality grains and our base grades keep falling...

[macdon02]

This is ****ed. If your of age yoy have several years left before the finish line you have to ask yourself where is this industry headed? If your close to the finish line you have ask if you want all your retirement eggs in 1 basket. We got govt hunting for taxes, fingers in our bank accounts, suppliers that are trying to get a bigger cut off the host. Bring the reset with crash and burn. It's time to reassess the business model and make changes. When's bigger no longer better? NOW!

[bucket]

This is ****ed. If your of age yoy have several years left before the finish line you have to ask yourself where is this industry headed? If your close to the finish line you have ask if you want all your retirement eggs in 1 basket. We got govt hunting for taxes, fingers in our bank accounts, suppliers that are trying to get a bigger cut off the host. Bring the reset with crash and burn. It's time to reassess the business model and make changes. When's bigger no longer better? NOW!

What is ****ed is those that defend the new policy....in the name of success...

[Rareearth]

I do value your input vvalk. The other side of factual reality, but

So if we throw everything we have into plant breeding, varieties, strong local breeding/seed growing industry isn’t the “Canadian Seed Trade Ass.” Going to take them, and promote them in competing exporter nations to compete against us anyways?

Really the breeders think they can police this and collect in Russia, or other Nations competing with canada growing the same crops/varieties? How is this different than a carbon tax?

[farmaholic]

The Ag Industry sees the Primary Producer as a ****en money tree, careful not to pluck off
all it's leaves and kill it.

Just once I'd like to see them tighten their belts, hordes of grad students getting paid to do useless shit, excessive advertising, bloated bureaucracies run like government...always increasing the "tax" on farmers. Wining and dining big retailers where a farmer can't even pay with a credit card to earn 1-2% points in CC purchases(unless you want to pay more for the product for that "luxury").

And then that feel good "Ag more than ever" campaign...where a whole Industry is built on the risk taken and real work done by so few. Like I said before, I'm getting tired of being the host to the parasite party.

[Rareearth]

Is it possible there is now a terminator gene that the breeders will insert to actively police the variety, breeding royalty system proposed?

That ata still the pot

[farmaholic]

I was thinking about that too Rareearth.

[bucket]

That's what the scientists/breeders are paid for....