Farmers right to control seeds

[bucket]

Can someone please answer the following questions....

1. Who is responsible for dud varieties?

2. Who pays for **** ups like the tiffid flax fiasco?

3. What happens if the suppliers of seed are the same ones that buy grain and say they only accept their varieties?
I don't think companies should be able control the entire chain.

4. How does a farmer recoup his costs on this tax?

5. Who oversees that we receive value for the charges..or benchmarks where we are at today? And where we end up?

6. Who says we need more varieties with higher yield or quality? Customers are not buying higher volumes or quality.....

[grassfarmer]

As far as canola is concerned, did plant breeders get rights granted to them by the originators of canola?

I believe the RR canola was developed from varieties that were a product of public breeding in the first place. The irony that they are using RR technology and now going after an outright ban on farmer's seed saving as a means to completely end public breeding. It's all about control - he who controls the seeds controls the world's food supply and the ability to make money off that.

[wd9]

One of the few times I agree with Grass. Farmer saved seed was a right always assumed to be there. UPOV '91 starts to remove this right. As farmers, we are merely exercising our rights. As far as canola is concerned, did plant breeders get rights granted to them by the originators of canola? Wheat and barley have been around for thousands of years, as have the forerunners to canola, (wheat, barley and mustard are all mentioned in the Bible so must have been around when it was written then) and farmers have used these plants for that time and so have rights to continue to do so.

You have no rights. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[Oliver88]

Can someone please answer the following questions....

1. Who is responsible for dud varieties?

2. Who pays for **** ups like the tiffid flax fiasco?

3. What happens if the suppliers of seed are the same ones that buy grain and say they only accept their varieties?
I don't think companies should be able control the entire chain.

4. How does a farmer recoup his costs on this tax?

5. Who oversees that we receive value for the charges..or benchmarks where we are at today? And where we end up?

6. Who says we need more varieties with higher yield or quality? Customers are not buying higher volumes or quality.....

#1. Farmer
#2. Farmer
#3. The farmer will pay the price.
#4. LOL he doesn’t.....recouping costs. 😂
#5. Nobody.

#6. Seed industry.
Not many farmers without investments in the seed industry.
Not customers.

#6 is the key question. When did this idea come from to greatly increase new cereal varieties?
It seems like a blatant money grab by a corrupt industry.

[bucket]

#1. Farmer
#2. Farmer
#3. The farmer will pay the price.
#4. LOL he doesn’t.....recouping costs. 😂
#5. Nobody.

#6. Seed industry.
Not many farmers without investments in the seed industry.
Not customers.

#6 is the key question. When did this idea come from to greatly increase new cereal varieties?
It seems like a blatant money grab by a corrupt industry.

Thank you...I thought I might be the only one. ...

[bucket]

Minister of agriculture of any level should represent farmers...as in primary producers....

If the seed industry wants to have their own minister go to the minister of industry or minister of the seed trade....seems large enough and enough power to brown bag a few ministers at different levels...

Farmers, as in primary producers , have been incredibly under represented for the past decade...this is just another nail for guys to take their equity and say **** it.....so another consolidation can happen...

Now everyone I talk to that is supposed to represent me by my numerous check offs ....tell me to do the heavy lifting and go to meetings.....I thought I was paying smarter and calmer people than me to represent my interests...

All I see is royalties with no responsibility.....The oil companies had royalties and yet the bill for cleanup of abandoned wells comes back to the taxpayer....

No different here the ****ing mess these seed companies will make will come back to primary producers...been there done that...

[sawfly1]

Remember when glyphosate was 25$ a litre.
Which people paid ,eventually dropping to 18-12-9-
Just before patent expiry.
Now we are at 4$.
They were rewarded for their investment.

Now glyphosate resistant canola. Should have followed a similar path. Original patent of 15 years ,expired 10 -15 years ago.
Have not seen a price drop , have you?

Something is wrong.
States/ govt.s / we the people . by law protect innovation.
From theft .copying.

In return for that protection . The innovation eventually.
Becomes pubic property. To the benefit of all.
That part of the deal is
Not happening.

So what is the deal now ?

Any innovation ,inventions will never go public and owners can charge a royalty till the end of time.

If that were the case in history.
That wheel guy would own the planet by now.

Kinda sounds like what they are going for.
Doesn't it.

What could possibly go wrong .
giving 3 of the largest
Corporations on earth .the right to own and control all
The seeds on the planet forever.

That would be one scary movie.

With the corporate police , destroying crops.
Hunting down the underground farmers .for trying to replant a seed from 2001.
A seed that was supposed to have been eradicated
10 years ago.
When the rest were

Same idea as Triffid .
But a good seed instead.

Can not have that seed floating around.
Farmers and consumer's , will begin to think
They do not have to pay our tolls.
Then a revolution.

[farmaholic]

When I replace an old half ton with a new one with all the supposed new and improved bells and whistles....I only have to pay for that truck once....I don't have to pay the maker a yearly fee to drive it.

I also don't want to be the SeedCos research and developement department....meaning varieties released early before fully proven.

I also don't want to pay for SeedCos to develop varieties that I have to continue to pay for over and over again to use while some other areas of the world may well have FREE access to....where there is no way for them to collect their ransom.

[walterm]

When you buy certified seed is there not some R&D built into that price also after farmers already paid check off $ that go to seed companies? Would royalties mean that check offs end?

[bucket]

Canada is an easy place to come for these seed companies because primary producers are basically ignored as an economic driver , however it is a cash cow for anything coming onto the farm because everything is priced somewhere else even though it is produced here...

And no one is looking out for our interests only asking for or taking money on the loosely held principle that they will look out for our interests ...spew here

[wd9]

t.

Now glyphosate resistant canola. Should have followed a similar path. Original patent of 15 years ,expired 10 -15 years ago.
Have not seen a price drop , have you?

Expires 2021. Still patented till then.

[furrowtickler]

Tom 4cwb is still smiling about this