a documentary giving both sides of global warming debate with respect to ag

[tmyrfield]

Lots of references to ag policy and global warming wrt actual farmers.
Give it a few minutes I don't think you'll be disappointed.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6206758/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6206758/

The full documentary can be seen here.


http://notrickszone.com/2018/11/16/renowned-physicist-freeman-dyson-theories-of-climate-are-very-confused-models-are-wrong/ http://notrickszone.com/2018/11/16/renowned-physicist-freeman-dyson-theories-of-climate-are-very-confused-models-are-wrong/

[grassfarmer]

I watched about the first half - certainly reflective of the views I know among European farmers. It's a nice production.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I watched about the first half - certainly reflective of the views I know among European farmers. It's a nice production.

I started watching the full documentary, but my German isn't very good( or non existent), I wasn't getting much out of it. Is there supposed to be subtitles?

[grassfarmer]

I started watching the full documentary, but my German isn't very good( or non existent), I wasn't getting much out of it. Is there supposed to be subtitles?

There was on mine - did you use the second link?

[Taiga]

Lots of references to ag policy and global warming wrt actual farmers.
Give it a few minutes I don't think you'll be disappointed.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6206758/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6206758/

The full documentary can be seen here.


http://notrickszone.com/2018/11/16/renowned-physicist-freeman-dyson-theories-of-climate-are-very-confused-models-are-wrong/ http://notrickszone.com/2018/11/16/renowned-physicist-freeman-dyson-theories-of-climate-are-very-confused-models-are-wrong/

Fantastic! I watched the whole thing. Really enjoyed that, thank you for posting.
Yes mine was subtitled.

[tubs]

fantastic piece we loosing track of other important things because we are being hijacked by the climate people follow the money.

[chuckChuck]

Here is a critique of the documentary posted above.

https://ourchangingclimate.wordpress.com/2017/07/17/a-critical-look-at-the-uncertainty-has-settled-documentary-by-marijn-poels/

I haven't taken the time to look at the film yet but it sounds like a lot of opinions are not coming from climate scientists.

"Later in the documentary he meets with climate scientist Hans von Storch, astrophysicist Piers Corbyn and physicist Freeman Dyson. Those in the loop will immediately recognize that this is not at all a fair representation of the scientific debate, but rather provides a very skewed vision thereof by emphasizing outlier views that are demonstrably false.

Hans von Storch accurately describes our current knowledge about climate change: We know that the earth has warmed and we can’t explain this warming without considering the human-induced increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. He also distinguishes how scientific knowledge may be very uncertain in specific details, while the core tenets are robustly known: “The fact that CO2 has a significant influence on climate is indisputable.”

It’s astonishing how many falsehoods and conspiracy theories Piers Corbyn mentions over the course of few minutes. Some of the things he said:

FALSE: The increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is coming from the oceans

If Corbyn were right, the concentration in the ocean should have decreased in order to explain the increased atmospheric concentration (a simple consequence of conservation of mass). However, CO2 concentrations have been observed to increase both in the atmosphere and in the ocean. In reality, the excess CO2 in both atmosphere and ocean originates from fossil fuel burning, as is evident from the isotopic signature and the concomitant decrease in atmospheric O2 concentration.

FALSE: CO2 only follows temperature

During the ice age cycles CO2 acted as an amplifying feedback on the warming which was initiated by changes to the earth’s orbit. During those times of relatively slow warming the temperature indeed started to increase before the CO2 concentrations did, after which the CO2 caused even more warming. Hence it’s a bit of a chicken-egg issue with CO2 and temperature, but Corbyn’s statement is misleading. The current CO2 increase is unequivocally anthropogenic and ~100 times faster than it was in glacial to interglacial transitions. Moreover, we have known since the mid-nineteenth century that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation and thus acts as a greenhouse gas which impedes planetary heat loss and thus warms up the surface.

FALSE: Termites produce more CO2 than human activity does

Termites produce less CO2 than human activity does. Moreover, while anthropogenic emissions have led to the increased CO2 concentration, there’s no sign of tremendous changes in termite populations or emissions. In general, CO2 uptake and release by the biosphere (through assimilation and respiration/decomposition, respectively) approximately balance over multi-annual timescales. Termites also emit methane, another greenhouse gas, though around 40 times less than is released through human activity. [Text about termite emissions has been updated 17-07]

FALSE: A new mini-ice age cometh

Corbyn has been predicting this for a while now (at least since 2010), but reality so far has been going in the opposite direction compared to his predictions. Scientists have investigated the potential consequences of a quieter sun in the near future, but generally find that increased greenhouse gas concentrations will dwarf any realistic decrease in solar activity, and hence the globe will continue to warm for the foreseeable future.

CONSPIRACY THEORY: The increased temperatures are a result of fraud with the observations

Globally averaged temperatures are computed independently by a number of different research group and they all agree within a close margin of each other. The raw data are available, so everyone who’s interested and who has the requisite skill can try to reproduce (or falsify) these calculations. A number of ‘skeptical’ people have indeed done so, and lo and behold, they found the same result: the globe really is warming.

Corbyn continues with his conspiracy theories and doesn’t even seem bothered that they’re mutually inconsistent with each other: on the one hand he claims that the ‘climate ideology’ has been made up by international big business interests, on the other hand he also claims that the ‘myth of climate change’ is a scheme to de-industrialize the West. How can you possibly take someone like this seriously."

[seldomseen]

I watched the whole thing with subtitles and found it interesting.

The best remarks came from Freeman Dyson when he said " You can believe observations or theories "

One thing I know for sure is when I first started helping dad we always looked for the shortest days to maturity for crops back then and I still do now and that's about 40 years ago. I am fairly certain the next generation will still be looking for the shortest season crops they can find.

I am surprised you were not interviewed in the doc Chuck? You do seem to be a real expert on the subject!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There was on mine - did you use the second link?

I tried again, turns out there is a switch on youtube which turns the subtitles on or off, problem solved, since my wife refused to translate for me.

[chuckChuck]

I don't know if the film has content from other climate scientists but the one referenced from the critique confirms the connection between global warming and greenhouse gases.

Hans von Storch accurately describes our current knowledge about climate change: We know that the earth has warmed and we can’t explain this warming without considering the human-induced increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. He also distinguishes how scientific knowledge may be very uncertain in specific details, while the core tenets are robustly known: “The fact that CO2 has a significant influence on climate is indisputable.”

[LEP]

I don't know if the film has content from other climate scientists but the one referenced from the critique confirms the connection between global warming and greenhouse gases.

Hans von Storch accurately describes our current knowledge about climate change: We know that the earth has warmed and we can’t explain this warming without considering the human-induced increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. He also distinguishes how scientific knowledge may be very uncertain in specific details, while the core tenets are robustly known: “The fact that CO2 has a significant influence on climate is indisputable.”

Translation, we don't know much about what causes warming but, co2 has a significant influence THIS... THIS WE KNOW TO BE 100% TRUE.
But ya we we aren't sure what's causing the warming.

[chuckChuck]

Translation, we don't know much about what causes warming but, co2 has a significant influence THIS... THIS WE KNOW TO BE 100% TRUE.
But ya we we aren't sure what's causing the warming.

“The fact that CO2 has a significant influence on climate is indisputable.”

[Guest]

they know they've lost
fun to watch their desperate attempts to keep the global warming scam/ponzie scheme running !
just like the world was gonna end , stock market crash , etc., etc. when trump got in
and the leftard chaos that followed , and still is going on . well we all saw what happened there
the ones that. make the most noise are benifitting from the scam , you can be sure of that
I am enjoying the meltdown

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So, if I understand this correctly, the troll didn't actually watch it, but that didn't stop it from dismissing it, and critiquing it. Sounds like an open mind to me.

[Guest]

So, if I understand this correctly, the troll didn't actually watch it, but that didn't stop it from dismissing it, and critiquing it. Sounds like an open mind to me.

like I said "the most closed minded person I have ever come across"
a person of this caliber is done learning for sure
thank god for peoplekind like Jordan peterson
interesting side note , I was probably the only one to not know it , but was surprised to learn that he grew up in Fairview, Alberta