Prof downplays carbon tax’s farm impact

[SASKFARMER3]

Ok cut and paste

[Hamloc]

My first thought when I read this article in the Western Producer was that in downplaying the cost to farmers of a tax on carbon dioxide he didn't look at what would happen if they started to tax methane or nitrous oxide. It is only logical that once the tax on C02 is firmly entrenched that they will cast the net wider. One thing that is guaranteed about government is that it constantly wants to grow. Let's be realistic I think most farmers are forced to be efficient with any input due to constantly rising costs. Where will we realistically cut? The enviros want less meat eaten due to greenhouse emissions. Less fertilizer applied due to emissions. Cutting my greenhouse emissions by 30% isn't going to be achieved by putting solar power in my back yard. In my case I could cut maybe 5-10% but with constantly increasing costs I will need to continue to look for more land to farm which will increase my emissions. Chuck2 I am very interested how you feel you could cut your personal emissions by 30%? And please no cut and paste just a few thoughts on where you feel you can reduce your emissions by 30%.

[SASKFARMER3]

chuck will ride his bike and have solar panels on his acreage.

[6V53]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetland_methane_emissions

[macdon02]

Everyone realizes that since the internet was invented, the pulp mill outside my north window got mothballed thus saving x million trees from being cut down, further sequestering God knows only how much CO2, also creating a massive fire hazard in the next electrical storm? 1 more sink that never gets recognized

[FarmJunkie]

If u can’t convince us CO2 is the problem now it’s another gas. Just the cost to eat I guess. I’m guessing Chuck is part of the end hunger campaign which the last time I checked is tough to do with not enuf food around. This brain dead scheme to tax us for something we can’t fix and which they don’t wanna fix will not go away until people go real hungry. These are problems people bitch about when their belly’s are full.

[fjlip]

Ok cut and paste

Chucky so we are NOT THE FU*CKING problem or will EVER be the solution, IF there even is a problem. Canada can DISAPPEAR and SFA will change. I don't believe anything MAN does is a problem, neither is nitrous oxide emissions, as for methane, the 60 million bison never farted enough before white man to destroy the earth. Again Medieval warm period, how did man make that happen? The drought and record temperatures of the 30's , REBUT that please. Scientists that STATE a prediction/opinion means SHIT. None this can be proved. It's all a guess, computer models totally dependent on input data that can be tampered/adjusted in many ways. It is a religion, conspiracy by the left, nothing more. Goebbels would have been shocked of such world wide gullibility. A thinking reasoning person can not be fooled by such outlandish scare tactics. It is easier to accept a lie than be convinced it is a lie.

[binthere]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-could-take-the-shine-off-of-solar-a-waste-problem/ar-BBQnCz3

[seldomseen]

Chucky your whole reason in life seems to be to come here and try to convince about 15 people that Global warming is real and a carbon tax is a great way to stop it. Why waste your time? When we see evidence we will start believing and until then what you say won't change anything.

There are lots of web sites where people like you can go and bash free market thinkers.

[hobbyfrmr]

If u can’t convince us CO2 is the problem now it’s another gas. Just the cost to eat I guess. I’m guessing Chuck is part of the end hunger campaign which the last time I checked is tough to do with not enuf food around. This brain dead scheme to tax us for something we can’t fix and which they don’t wanna fix will not go away until people go real hungry. These are problems people bitch about when their belly’s are full.

Exactly. Hmmmm....government needs a boogeyman to scare up money to operate. Something relatively obscure where the average citizen cannot be bothered to quantify it. They can not see it, can not smell it, cannot feel/touch it, can not hear it or taste it. Its not easily measured and the new generation of people have not loved long enough to realize that the weather changes, sometimes deathly cold, sometimes deathly windy, or deathly hot and/or cold. Sometimes record high temperatures in the day and record frost at night.
Its the weather, that it, no boogeyman, just the weather. Dress accordingly. Any day of the year in Saskatchewan if you are going to be outside always bring a jacket.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Exactly. Hmmmm....government needs a boogeyman to scare up money to operate. Something relatively obscure where the average citizen cannot be bothered to quantify it. They can not see it, can not smell it, cannot feel/touch it, can not hear it or taste it. Its not easily measured and the new generation of people have not loved long enough to realize that the weather changes, sometimes deathly cold, sometimes deathly windy, or deathly hot and/or cold. Sometimes record high temperatures in the day and record frost at night.
Its the weather, that it, no boogeyman, just the weather. Dress accordingly. Any day of the year in Saskatchewan if you are going to be outside always bring a jacket.

Well said. Students of marketing, propaganda, politics and psychology( maybe even science, if the concept survives this assault) will be studying this, the biggest and most successful scam in history for centuries to come. Even I have to admire how this was orchestrated.

[FarmJunkie]

Not sure what the point of engaging these debates is gonna solve. The common sense factor left the building long ago when we decided it was ok to create deficits and start the IOU scam. Now look where we ended up and the boys and girls in charge are trying to figure out how to pay for it. They just haven’t admitted that that problem we created ourselves can’t and will never be fixed either. We create all our own problems by not using common sense and to me my common sense tells me to look out my own door and ask myself how much has the weather changed in my 50 years. How much has it changed in my father and grandfathers 100 years? No scientist or his studies is worth a shit because most are bought and paid for by someone and no matter what they find we can’t change or fix the out come of the weather.
If been around the world a bit and to the same places a few times after many years and in my observations the water level on the coasts and the temperature in the north hasn’t changed much. Tide still comes in and goes out. Still gets cold and ice forms in Hudson Bay and the bears leave for the winter. Still lots of them to. But when u have experts who spew whatever studies they are paid to find the “right” results for most people don’t check or care what they say. It’s just white noise that most people don’t wanna be bothered with because they have enuf of their own problems to worry about. However if u hear that same message over and over and over you begin to think that message must be true. Hence the use of common sense every time u hear an expert spew evidence that the end is near only to have another expert spew the opposite tells me their expertise is nothing of the sort and shouldn’t be taken as gospel. Use that lump 3 feet above your ass!

[dmlfarmer]

Farm Junkie, could you provide evidence of your claims: "No scientist or his studies is worth a shit because most are bought and paid for by someone..." and "But when u have experts who spew whatever studies they are paid to find the “right” results"
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[Tucker]

Type...Delete...Type...Delete.. Dammit. Just know that you and all your socialist ilk are HATED by the very people who provide food for your table 'chuck. Eat your cheap bread and ****ing choke on it. Your glory days at the CWB are ****ing over and thank God and Stephen Harper for that! Get used to it and just slip into retirement peacefully. Maybe justin will still drop you some scraps off his table because you've been such a loyalist.

I know that you don't drive a Prius or a Volt 'chuck. I know that Grassfarmer won't scrap his old John Deere and buy a new tier 4 diesel tractor because all you socialist bastards are only about spending everybody else's money. Well Thatcher had a good quote years ago. "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

I know who you are. I hate you.

[grassfarmer]

I know that Grassfarmer won't scrap his old John Deere and buy a new tier 4 diesel tractor because all you socialist bastards are only about spending everybody else's money.

Right answer but wrong reasons. Besides there not being the kind of money in cattle production to justify purchase of $200,000 tractors I also realize that the embodied emissions taken to produce a new tractor typically rival the exhaust emissions over its entire lifetime. For that reason, with our low usage, it is more environmentally friendly to stick with the one already in existence. Oh and by the way we did buy our tractor with our own money - cash. By your logic the majority of farmers buying the big new fancy tractors must be the socialists as they are using the banks, or leasing companies money.