Where has all our Conseratives gone.

[seldomseen]

Alberta’s Downfall and who created the mess was Ralph

Peter Lougheed charged higher royalties, got Refining going for the oil sands. He insisted that development should be SLOW so NOT to overproduce . Built the Heritage Fund up

Then comes Ralph and Alberta has the lowest Royalties in the World, spends all the heritage fund sells off crowns to get rid of debt
No Royalties collected on oilsands projects Till the projects are finished- which creates add ones ,so royalties Don’t Start
Ralph was the Best Premier,oil money could buy

Alberta’s Problem is Caused by Government Policy than lack of pipelines . There NEVER should have been this much oil development in th3 oil sands Without refining capacity as Peter Lougheed imagined

I guess this makes sense wasn't Ralph a card carrying Liberal before he became Premier ?

[GDR]

Alberta’s Downfall and who created the mess was Ralph

Peter Lougheed charged higher royalties, got Refining going for the oil sands. He insisted that development should be SLOW so NOT to overproduce . Built the Heritage Fund up

Then comes Ralph and Alberta has the lowest Royalties in the World, spends all the heritage fund sells off crowns to get rid of debt
No Royalties collected on oilsands projects Till the projects are finished- which creates add ones ,so royalties Don’t Start
Ralph was the Best Premier,oil money could buy

Alberta’s Problem is Caused by Government Policy than lack of pipelines . There NEVER should have been this much oil development in th3 oil sands Without refining capacity as Peter Lougheed imagined

Ralph did not blow the heritage fund, still 17.5billion in there now.

What lots seem to forget is Ralph listened to the public (not saying public makes good decisions) At the time Albertans were given options and where able to vote on how to proceed on debt/heritage trust fund/ health care etc. Not too often Joe Blow ever gets any input into how tax dollars are spent.

Ralph helped oil and industry expand no question. Is that a bad thing to create high paying jobs and opportunity for working class people? Even yesterday on our local radio station Suncor is advertising for heavy equip operators for its Ft McMurray mine, and that is during an oil downturn. Jobs & industry are required to have a tax base to support the province. The economy in Alberta and Canada would be quite a bit different without the oilsands development over the last 20 yrs that is undeniable.

[GDR]

And yes Horse is right. We have no good alternatives in the provincial or federal conservatives. Very disappointing. Locally have good MLA and MP but that doesn't matter when they are not allowed to think for themselves in our political system.

[mustardman]

Ralph biggest downfall was he Let Oil Companies Write the rules

Lots of Activity but the Only revenue that ended up in govt coffers was from income tax, LOWEST royalties in the world ,
Look at Norway’s revenue on a MuCh smaller amount of oil resources

When Little Brad was elected here, Calgary who had A lot of Leverage with Sask Party,convinced him to do the same.

[GDR]

Ralph biggest downfall was he Let Oil Companies Write the rules

Lots of Activity but the Only revenue that ended up in govt coffers was from income tax, LOWEST royalties in the world ,
Look at Norway’s revenue on a MuCh smaller amount of oil resources

When Little Brad was elected here, Calgary who had A lot of Leverage with Sask Party,convinced him to do the same.

Thats the same BS that the NDP was spewing at election time about royalties and such and how they were gonna do it different and be so great for Albertans. Guess what, they did a review of the system at huge cost to taxpayers and they come up with the conclusion that the royalty system was fair and did no changes.

[ajl]

Ralph biggest downfall was he Let Oil Companies Write the rules

Lots of Activity but the Only revenue that ended up in govt coffers was from income tax, LOWEST royalties in the world ,
Look at Norway’s revenue on a MuCh smaller amount of oil resources

When Little Brad was elected here, Calgary who had A lot of Leverage with Sask Party,convinced him to do the same.

Total BS. Reality is that oil sands is an uneconomic source of oil with the heavy taxes the lunatic left wants to put on them. Ralph created a regime by which the government would get something while the sand were developed and created jobs for many. Had that not been the case many would be unemployed while Canada did not benefit.

[helmsdale]

Alberta’s Downfall and who created the mess was Ralph

Peter Lougheed charged higher royalties, got Refining going for the oil sands. He insisted that development should be SLOW so NOT to overproduce . Built the Heritage Fund up

Then comes Ralph and Alberta has the lowest Royalties in the World, spends all the heritage fund sells off crowns to get rid of debt
No Royalties collected on oilsands projects Till the projects are finished- which creates add ones ,so royalties Don’t Start
Ralph was the Best Premier,oil money could buy

Alberta’s Problem is Caused by Government Policy than lack of pipelines . There NEVER should have been this much oil development in th3 oil sands Without refining capacity as Peter Lougheed imagined

Try getting past all the regulatory hurdles to get a refinery approved... And refine for who?

Pulled directly from the 2018 NEB report on refinery capacity in Canada.
Canada is the seventh largest crude oil producer in the world. Despite this, Canadian refineries process less than 30% of that crude oil. (Figure 7) This is mainly because of the size of Canada’s refining industry compared to the resource size, the location of its refineries, and the lack of cross-country pipeline connectivity. Canadian refineries operate mostly to meet domestic needs, with some exports.

Either we should never have allowed 70% of the crude output that we currently have to have been approved, or we would have to build more refinery capacity to sell into the export market. And guess what that export capacity would require? Infrastructure to get it to market in the way of pipelines to the coast, or pipelines to end users stateside. Just in case anyone needs any reminding... How are pipelines crossing provincial and national boundaries going these days?

We've advanced a long ways past the NIMBY model, and it would seem for most everything we've gone straight to NOPE and beyone!

[Guest]

Feds just hafta say its going to happen , thats it
Like the carbon tax
But theyre all to spineless including harper and especially this govt(???) we have now

[helmsdale]

And as far as where all of our conservatives have gone? Not that I like it much, but they've all peaced out! Jason Kenney, call him whatever you may, is one of the few left on the stage in this country.

They've peaced out until such time as the country's citizenry thinks it'd be worth their time to run again. The next election is Justin Trudeau's to lose. IMO it always has been. He's as close as we get to royalty in this country. Why he's elevated to that point? Again, IMO it's certainly not based upon his merits, but anyone that would consider themselves a player on the federal conservatives stage isn't going to sit in the HOC for 4,8, or god forbid 12 years, waiting for Trudeau's image to be sufficiently tarnished enough to make a run at federal leadership.

Honestly, conservative dirt just isn't that fertile in Canada at the moment.
-Deficit spending while the economy is growing is simply shrugged away.
-The private sector has been thoroughly demonized as glutenous beasts that aren't paying their fair share.
-Identity politics is HUGE!
-Government intervention, regulation, and taxation is embraced even encouraged.
-Trump is a sitting US president.
-Everything is thought to be racist, sexist, misogynistic, (add anything and put an "ist" on the end of it)

The headwinds are immense, and politicians seldom want to invest the time to change opinions, attitudes, or perceptions. They simply want to capitalize on a change in opinions. If you look at recent polling, the short term, and medium term prospects in Canada just aren't supportive of that.

[grassfarmer]

..... but anyone that would consider themselves a player on the federal conservatives stage isn't going to sit in the HOC for 4,8, or god forbid 12 years, waiting for Trudeau's image to be sufficiently tarnished enough to make a run at federal leadership...........
.....Honestly, conservative dirt just isn't that fertile in Canada at the moment......
......and politicians seldom want to invest the time to change opinions, attitudes, or perceptions. They simply want to capitalize on a change in opinions........

And that folks is what is wrong with politics today. Most not prepared to put the work in down in the trenches. Really if you choose to be in politics and don't live and breath it and aren't prepared to fight for the causes you believe in whether you are PM or an opposition MP you don't deserve to be elected to public office in my opinion. This is why we get unfit politicians - celebrities, reality TV stars and people who have no idea how politics work. Instead of saying it's Ok for them not to be involved until the stars align for them to stand for a party leader post we might be better to insist no-one be eligible to stand for party leadership until they have served 1 or maybe 2 terms as an MP.