Comments from seed royalty meeting

[bucket]

Value has to be there for all players in this industry....growing more bushels without adequate infrastructure will result in a 2013 and 1997 incidents....and more recently what's going on in the oil industry...

There is no royalty on grain that can't be sold. ...is there?


I think seed growers have had their say in the process...sorry westernvicki....but it irritated me that seed growers had been speckled throughout this meeting....

I realize they are farmers but they are promoting a royalty system that will help them...not necessarily good for farmers...

[ajl]

There have been a lot of new seed varieties released in the past couple of years. Many of them cousins if not brother and sister and not significantly different. This is without end point royalties. Markets are saturated with surplus production. How much more investment can we stand? The seed industry is already over investing so why even more investment? I am not opposed to investment, just the fact that government is being used as a tool to force me to guarantee a return on all this investment. What we need is more markets and access to markets than seed investment.

[farmaholic]

"As for overall costs of the seed royalty numbers were suggested based on acres of wheat, but no final cost estimates were presented. Nor were current fund spent on certified seed presented."

Interesting.

Take the yearly average wheat acres and multiply them by what ever Ransom the decide to impose.

How much do they think they need? What do they actually need? What will actually be levied?

What are we competing against? Russian wheat? General purpose American wheat? Low cost low quality wheat? High quality wheat prices get dragged down closer to low quality prices , I doubt it happens the other way.

If canola seed costs are 13-15% of gross per acre returns....15% of wheat at 50 bpa @ $6.50/bu = $48.75/ac seed costs. No way.... How much will they want? Who will be monitoring the sodomy?

[farmaholic]

The largest beneficiaries will be the SeedCos....which will likely be the AgriChemCos.

Hybrid wheat seeds will have limited farm saved seed shelf life....enter seed growers. Bigger trickle down here for them than standard bred wheat, more certified hybrid wheat will be bought if the wheat loses its vigor in subsequent years of continual use. Or does closed/self pollinating wheat not lose it's vigor like open pollinated canola?

A message to seed breeders....go to Russia or better yet, Africa!!! That's where all the future Ag growth opportunity is supposedly going to be. Oh!....you don't like the political environment? Gold ****en bricks are being laid for them to walk on here!

[farmaholic]

https://www.upov.int/members/en/ UPOV member countries and which Act they're signed up to

Clickable link...open PDF, "List of UPOV members"

[bucket]

A buck a tonne on end point royalty on wheat and durum is 35 million pretty quick....and people don't like the way the CGC built their fund.....

[GOODRUM]

I arrived late and didn't hear the early discussions. It seemed to me the only ones in agreement had a connection to a raise increase.
I like the idea that farmers should receive the benefits by owning the seed rights.
Who was the gentleman who suggested this?

[bucket]

it was a good idea but I always thought by paying a checkoff that contributed to new varieties we already owned some part of it....not so.

But I don't know how we can pay the upfront money through a checkoff and then end point royalties as well....all I know is someone wants more money off my farm whether its more checkoff or royalties / taxes...

[farmaholic]

A buck a tonne on end point royalty on wheat and durum is 35 million pretty quick....and people don't like the way the CGC built their fund.....

Not once but year in year out year in year out into perpetuity.

[GOODRUM]

Yes your right, apparently we are already renting our seed.
**** it sink or swim! If they develop a seed that provides real value it will sell. If they invest there own money it would make them accountable. lets learn from the canola bull shit, how much of our money was wasted developing hundreds of varieties of canola ? If this type of research requires so much money how did we end up with too many canola varieties to name they only get numbers now?
Play with your own money!
Go run this shit past the dragons den.

[SASKFARMER3]

This whole topic pisses me off to no end.

One look at the Canola Shit show farmers, That's what you will get from this useless seed tax. It's about profit for parasites and pennies for farmers.

Mother nature still holds the Cards in Western Canada.

Yes, I grew a huge wheat crop this year and it was thanks to a few things.

1. Moisture in Ground to start with.
2. Three Timely spots of rain.
3. Fertility program that makes farmers edge look cheap.
4. Sprays that keep weed population down and good burnoff.
5.Fungicides if needed.
6. finally an important factor in wheat variety I grow.

But here is the kicker. In our part of the world, we grew straw and finally a nice head that produced a 50-bushel crop back in a day or 57 at best.

No, it's not manipulator its parent was an American wheat variety that the Canadian company used to get a shorter semidwarf spring wheat variety.

Shorter straw by up to two feet.

That two feet of growth took time to produce that straw and used fert. and energy and days.

Canada is a short season cropping country and one screw up it's all for nothing.

No forgiveness here.

So Yes I paid top dollar for the variety when it came out I had my choice of about 10 or more but chose this one. It responded for our area and works.

But to pay over and over and over its insane, What if you had one of the others and it gave 60 HRS wow you think I hit the mother load. HAHAHAHAH. Reality it is a dud.

HRS wheat yields in Eastern Sask and Manitoba were Excellent this year with some an 8 in front number.

Yes, boys, wheat can grow to that level.

But miss one rain and it's 40 or less.

They still get their cash.

Pick a shit variety they still win.

Again whoever thinks this is a great way to change seed is a complete F#$King Moron.

Farmers need to start doing like France and burn the F#$K3ers down.

They take and take and take and give nothing more than peanuts back.

Your work for them and they profit while you suffer.

Fert costs to grow the Yields we had this year will cost our farm an extra $120,000.00 and if it turns dry were down to maybe a 45-bushel crop. With seed tax and chem increase and fert. skyrocket your losing money.

But they don't care its just the stupid farmer.

Boom thanks for playing here's your tax.

I did some early numbers for 2019 crop year and I expect my wheat yields to be down unless timely rain happen. With the extra cost of fert and now I know an increase is coming on chemical and the carbon tax. Plus companys buying each other out and making one new one. Profit will be the min for HRS. Where do I get to add to my price to get some of the extra costs back?

Nowhere as I have to sell on the world price and get what's left after paying all the bills.

Again if it comes to be Its another nail in a farmers coffin brought to you by stupid farmers, stupid Governments who fall for this shit.

Canola didn't work Wheat sure as hell won't.

Some wonder why I hate and discourage farming.

Money was made in the past now Pennies are being made the next step is working for nothing and finally were like India farmers ****ED>

Don't like what I say I really don't give a rats ass. This is a stupid idiotic idea what farmer thinks he will prosper with this is insane.

Where less than 20 away from a 100 but it wasn't all thanks to seed just an old american variety brought north.

[bucket]

Yes your right, apparently we are already renting our seed.
**** it sink or swim! If they develop a seed that provides real value it will sell. If they invest there own money it would make them accountable. lets learn from the canola bull shit, how much of our money was wasted developing hundreds of varieties of canola ? If this type of research requires so much money how did we end up with too many canola varieties to name they only get numbers now?
Play with your own money!
Go run this shit past the dragons den.

They like royalty deals on Dragons Den....its almost like government officials watch it too often ...

Who ever goes to Edmonton ....use this line....

You guys have been watching too much Dragons Den or Shark Tank or Kevin Oleary....