Renewables Chuck

[chuckChuck]

Appears that one track minds are already fully committed to minding their own business.

But for others to be told that their business must dovetail with the way crusaders see things becomes quite trying on anyone's patience.

Once again chuck refuses to entertain any comments, thoughts or perspectives that aren't a part of his rhetoric.

So you don't have any biases one way or the other and you always listen to each argument and make an informed decision free of biases?

Don't take my word for it. Talk to Saskpower or experts on renewable energy. Build your case against wind and solar with evidence and facts then we can have an intelligent discussion.

The rest is just hot air.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And you are not very good at backing up your arguments with evidence or fact.

If I provided a list of failed and failing socialist regimes and policies, as evidence that socialists don't "believe" that math applies to them, would that cause you to give up your ideologies and take a pragmatic of the issues you previously blindly supported?

[jazz]

The rest is just hot air.

No place in Canada is suitable for solar. Some places wind might be viable but they are a long way from where the power is needed.

[chuckChuck]

This was yesterday at noon. Nice sunny day but the sun is so low and far away I just don’t see or feel a lot of energy. One thing about the low sun the panels would have to be standing almost upright to face the sun so there is not much chance snow would stay on them.
Keep us informed Chuck.

At noon on Sunday my south facing windows were warming up my house to 23.5 C and the set point was 21 C. Obviously the sun still has a lot of energy at noon on a December winters day.

[chuckChuck]

Quote from Jazz
"No place in Canada is suitable for solar. Some places wind might be viable but they are a long way from where the power is needed."

Wrong on both counts.



"Wind energy is the fastest-growing major source of new electricity in Canada. It is also growing rapidly in more than 90 countries around the world, including the U.S. where four states now generate 30 per cent or more of their electricity using wind energy.

As of August 2018, Canada’s installed wind energy capacity was 12,796 megawatts (MW) — enough to power over 3.8 million homes, supplying about six per cent of our country’s electricity demand. Four new projects saw completion that added 546 MW of new installed capacity,"

[chuckChuck]

Solar potential.

The red is 1400 kwh per kw of installed capacity annually. So for every 1000 watts of panels you get 1400 kwh.
The orange is 1300 kwh per kw of installed capacity
The yellow is 1200 kwh per kw of installed capacity

A 20kw solar array at Coronach Sask. will produce 28000 kwh.

[chuckChuck]

If I provided a list of failed and failing socialist regimes and policies, as evidence that socialists don't "believe" that math applies to them, would that cause you to give up your ideologies and take a pragmatic of the issues you previously blindly supported?

This is just a distraction. Why are you wasting your time talking about failed socialist regimes? LMAO

Capitalists and socialists all build a variety of energy system capacity. Republicans think all Canadians are socialists! LOL

Find a small group of like minded people who don't challenge your thinking and stay away from public discussion forums because you are not up to the challenge of staying on topic or backing up your arguments with some evidence.

[Hamloc]

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The red is 1400 kwh per kw of installed capacity annually. So for every 1000 watts of panels you get 1400 kwh.
The orange is 1300 kwh per kw of installed capacity
The yellow is 1200 kwh per kw of installed capacity

A 20kw solar array at Coronach Sask. will produce 28000 kwh.

Interesting Chuck I had a post earlier that pointed out the comparison of potential solar production between China and Canada, you had no comment. But now I can use your numbers. Roof mount solar system grid tie is roughly $2.60 an installed watt, ground mount(what will work in my yard) is an additional $.60 a watt. I believe this is before subsidies and without any system to rotate panels to account for change in the angle of the sun over the year. So a 20 kw roof mount grid tie system costs $52000. Using your pride of $.08 a kw you would produce $.08 x 28000 kw = $2240 per year. $52000/$2240 = 23.2 years. Now other issues come into play such as subsidies and the price of electricity rising over time, as well as financing costs and system maintenance such as replacing the inverter every 10-15 years. Now for myself in Alberta the maximum I am payed at present for the power I produce is $.068 per kw and I would have the higher cost of a ground mount system. My payback would be longer. So yes they will in theory pay for themselves over time but it is a long term game. Then remember they are an intermittent source of power so a second generation system like natural gas must exist to provide power at night.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

This is just a distraction. Why are you wasting your time talking about failed socialist regimes? LMAO

Capitalists and socialists all build a variety of energy system capacity. Republicans think all Canadians are socialists! LOL

Find a small group of like minded people who don't challenge your thinking and stay away from public discussion forums because you are not up to the challenge of staying on topic or backing up your arguments with some evidence.

You can add reading comprehension to the list of incompetencies of socialists, along with tolerance and patience... thank you for pointing that out.

Also, thanks for proving that socialists with an agenda aren't good at math with the previous post you made, do you care to check what is mathematically wrong in the cut and paste you made?

And I apologize once again for keeping you waiting, unfortunately, those of us in the real world have actual work to do, and can't spend all of our time Trolling Agriville. Winter has been postponed once again due to lack of interest, positive temps for most of the 7 day forecast, so I have better things to do right now. How about you address some of my previous questions though since you seem to have lots of time?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Interesting Chuck I had a post earlier that pointed out the comparison of potential solar production between China and Canada, you had no comment. But now I can use your numbers. Roof mount solar system grid tie is roughly $2.60 an installed watt, ground mount(what will work in my yard) is an additional $.60 a watt. I believe this is before subsidies and without any system to rotate panels to account for change in the angle of the sun over the year. So a 20 kw roof mount grid tie system costs $52000. Using your pride of $.08 a kw you would produce $.08 x 28000 kw = $2240 per year. $52000/$2240 = 23.2 years. Now other issues come into play such as subsidies and the price of electricity rising over time, as well as financing costs and system maintenance such as replacing the inverter every 10-15 years. Now for myself in Alberta the maximum I am payed at present for the power I produce is $.068 per kw and I would have the higher cost of a ground mount system. My payback would be longer. So yes they will in theory pay for themselves over time but it is a long term game. Then remember they are an intermittent source of power so a second generation system like natural gas must exist to provide power at night.

Very realistic numbers, and as you point out, if you ignore maintenance, opportunity cost and financing costs on that capital, a payback of 23 years seems almost viable. Now go to your bank and tell them you want to finance a depreciating asset for 23 years (probably more like 40+ when the other factors are considered, actually, it may well approach infinity once the lifespan of the assets and all other factors are included, as finance terms are stretched out to make it viable), and see if they are eager. Alternately go to the board of directors of any company and suggest they invest in a great money making scheme with a payback that is only a few decades long, and see how much capital they will devote. You and I can see this, but the mathematically challenged who keep promoting such lunacy just can't seem to comprehend such concepts.