Renewables Chuck

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There is good and bad news on the aeration with solar front. The latest research Says aeration at night is far more effective, turn the fans off during the day When the sun is shining on the panels. But the good news is that you only need 12 hours of Electrical power storage now. Where as the rest of us still need a full six months worth.

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[shtferbrains]

Actually Charlie, I read a thing the other day from the Concerned Scientists that said Canada had the 3rd highest renewable sourced electrical grid in the world.

62% comes from Hydro.

Listening to Climate Barbie I assumed we were the dirty bastards.

Is that not something to be proud of ?

[MBgrower]

Manitoba has made huge investments in hydro dams and transmission lines to the point we are over producing now, with more production yet to come on line. MB Hydro now has a huge debt and MB rate and tax payers will be paying for these investments for decades to come. premier Pallister basically told Trudope that this should be factored in as part of Mb's contribution to the fed imposed carbon tax, but Trudope said no. So basically, forget about your past investments and improvements to reduce your carbon footprint, Trudope is really only after one thing: Net new tax revenues. F&ck, are carbon tax supporters ever stupid.

[oneoff]

Renewable hydro power is only good for the purpose of inflating the good news about some significant renewable energy output. When it comes to the long distance power lines; then chuck won't be the first to volunteer. As would the loss of drowned out river bottom and loss of habitat. Nothing is free as will someday become evident to all.

And wind has already proven itself in suitable locations. But certainly not over chucks solar panels...and long term wind data close by should and would prove that to anyone but the chuck type.


Well maybe it did because he went "solar".. And his battery bank will not come soon. After 50 years we are still waiting for it to be viable. When it does it is to be hoped that its own merits will dictate what success it has.

Perhaps the best we can do is wait for chuck to give some truthful data about what we paid and will continue to pay; what freeloading solar involved with the substantial grid costs, transmission losses etc.; and what maintenance and rehabilitation grid line costs were avoided...AND when he expects to start repaying the lenders through cheap solar energy.

Or is the object to do what is in one's best interest and ease a conscience by selling how we have been saved from ruin through solar energy.

Who can stand to hear and rehear the rhetoric that what has been achieved in advanced civilizations is despicable and those involved should be ashamed of themselves. It seems to me that part of that scenario involves the same minority who wants complete and revolutionary lifestyle changes.

Not buying into that control.

[oneoff]

It is a fact that when starting from scratch or near zero output;...it is very easy to show some remarkable and astronomical increases.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It is a fact that when starting from scratch or near zero output;...it is very easy to show some remarkable and astronomical increases.

Which leads to one of the math tricks these folks like to play on the mathematically ignorant. With claims such as fastest growing etc. If I put my hamster on a wheel with a generator, I just grew hampster power by infinity percent in one year, if I add another next year, 100% growth yoy.

[chuckChuck]

How many times do I have to repeat that Saskpower is on track to have 50% renewables by 2030?

We will still be dependent on fossil energy after 2030, but your arguments that renewables such as wind and solar have no place in Saskatchewan is totally wrong as proven by Sask powers plans!

You have lost this argument, give up!

Renewables are here, they are currently operating and Saskpower is planning more.

Call up Saskpower and tell them they are wrong!

You can argue black is white and white is black.... Saskpower doesn't care.

They will tell you to bugger off with your negative, uninformed views. LMAO

[oneoff]

For the umpteenth time

You can make anything fly by putting enough horse power behind it.

But not much sense asking for questions to be answered if it would potentially cause confusion in anyone's mind concerning

"what you know you already know"

[AlbertaFarmer5]

For the umpteenth time

You can make anything fly by putting enough horse power behind it.

Which is another way of saying enough government subsidies, and enough mandate to pass on bloated and unnecessary costs to the end user.

Just because something is built due to misguided policy, usually by crony capitalists, doesn't automatically make it economical, viable, or sustainable. Canada is littered with examples.

I could seed the entire farm to pineapples next year, and by your logic, that automatically means that they will grow successfully, and profitably.

[oneoff]

Here are a couple of peak electricity usage numbers from 2017. They have probably been surpassed by now but they indicate peak summer demand is not far behind peak winter demand.

July 10th, 2017 - 3419 Mw
Jan 13, 2017 - 3747 Mw

“The winter peak record is still higher at 3,747 MW, but year-over-year we’re seeing the summer peak close the gap,” Kory Hayko, SaskPower’s vice-president of transmission and industrial services, said in a release.

I presume this is somehow meant to show the value of solar industry during the summer months in which solar panel output is typically higher.

The more important message is that at all times during the year; solar can be seen as an undependable intruder into a grid system that could never be counted on for any output at all during any night (on a province wide basis); and highly variable output the rest of the time compared to any other traditional electrical generation.

What is missing is the storage component. ie. functional and anything but cheap batteries or another method not currently "off the shelf" to provide continuous power on its own merits.

When and if those solar panels (and the necessary "accessories") get worked into the financial statement; the real cost of solar in the future can be compared apples to apples with what we now have.

[oneoff]

In summary; the 15% or 16% expected electrical output (compared to the 10Kw or whatever name plate rating)....can be stated in another way that any rational person should be able to agree with.

UNDER REAL SASK CONDITIONS; SOLAR PANELS DON'T PRODUCE POWER (OR THAT WHICH AMOUNTS TO MUCH) AT LEAST 80% OF THE TIME.
ITS TO BAD THAT THE GRANTS WERE AT LEAST BASED ON WHAT THE SOLAR SYSTEM WAS GOOD FOR...RATHER THAN 6 TIMES THAT FIGURE.

Just another way of inflating significance, I suppose.

[chuckChuck]

Nobody is arguing that solar is currently going to replace hydro or fossil sources of electricity without some sort of storage system. But we already know that engineers are working on storage systems to make renewable forms of electricity much more usable. Read about the MIT research on batteries.

If a 25 kw system produces 35000 kwh in a year and that 35000 kwh is not produced by coal then there are obvious benefits to solar in cleaner air and lower carbon emissions.

Even without a subsidy, solar panels are going to produce electricity at a lower cost than what Saskpower charges for a kwh. Solar panels keep getting more efficient and cheaper and electricity from Saskpower keeps rising in price. So how can this be a bad deal?

So based on the fact that solar systems are already affordable, can pay for themselves and produce lower cost cleaner electricity from a free source of fuel, why are you so opposed to individual, farmers and utilities investing in solar PV systems?

In short, there is a good business case for farms on the southern prairies to invest in Solar PV.