Renewables Chuck

[jazz]

Subsidized green energy...that's not economically viable. No place in Canada can support wind or solar without a massive govt grant or tax dollars thrown at it. My chart is accurate.

And on a 20 yr payback the equipment will be worthless and you will have to repeat your entire sunk cost again.

What about the massive pit mining operation that needs to accompany the technology to extract rare earth metals for the equipment and lithium for the batteries. Where is that cost. You have to move millions of tons of overburden to extract a tiny amount of these elements. Will make the oil sands look like nothing.

[oneoff]

Quote from Jazz
"No place in Canada is suitable for solar. Some places wind might be viable but they are a long way from where the power is needed."

Wrong on both counts.

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"Wind energy is the fastest-growing major source of new electricity in Canada. It is also growing rapidly in more than 90 countries around the world, including the U.S. where four states now generate 30 per cent or more of their electricity using wind energy.

As of August 2018, Canada’s installed wind energy capacity was 12,796 megawatts (MW) — enough to power over 3.8 million homes, supplying about six per cent of our country’s electricity demand. Four new projects saw completion that added 546 MW of new installed capacity,"

Well chuck....I'm calling bullshit "on both counts"
Its as simple as saying that new installed solar capacity will deliver "continuously" a little over one sixth on its installed capacity. You should know it's 15%; and not much more....because you have been told enough times.

For wind; approximately 30 some percent of installed capacity (at best) is what will be produced..on average; under actual real conditions over a "daily" period (and only in areas where wind power will actually be viable. And you've had ample time over several years to confirm it for yourself.

I refer you to that recent post obviously meant to show the "huge" movement towards wind and maybe solar energy conversion. Why not post how much wind or solar energy was actually produced by that installed capacity.


Yet you still delude yourself (and worse yet still persist in trying to convince others who are susceptible to such nonsense) that laws of nature, physics and common sense are not germane to an intelligent discussion on renewable resources.

Perhaps you don t realize it; but such an attitude reflects badly on a person's character.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Well chuck....I'm calling bullshit "on both counts"
Its as simple as saying that new installed solar capacity will deliver "continuously" a little over one sixth on its installed capacity. You should know it's 15%; and not much more....because you have been told enough times.

For wind; approximately 30 some percent of installed capacity (at best) is what will be produced..on average; under actual real conditions over a "daily" period (and only in areas where wind power will actually be viable. And you've had ample time over several years to confirm it for yourself.

I refer you to that recent post obviously meant to show the "huge" movement towards wind and maybe solar energy conversion. Why not post how much wind or solar energy was actually produced by that installed capacity.


Yet you still delude yourself (and worse yet still persist in trying to convince others who are susceptible to such nonsense) that laws of nature, physics and common sense are not germane to an intelligent discussion on renewable resources.

Perhaps you don t realize it; but such an attitude reflects badly on a person's character.

See, now there are good examples of where the a ability t perform simple math would have come in handy.

[chuckChuck]

"four states now generate 30 per cent or more of their electricity using wind energy."

You better call up Saskpower and tell them to stop their wind energy projects because with your "vast" experience in managing provincial utilities and renewables they must be making a terrible mistake!

[chuckChuck]

https://data.bloomberglp.com/bnef/sites/14/2018/02/Sustainable-Energy-in-America-2018-Factbook.pdf

"New U.S. wind and solar build, combined with an easing drought in the West, drove renewable generation up from 15% to 18% of the total electricity mix in one year, while contributions from natural gas and coal tapered modestly.

Renewable generation (including hydropower) soared 14% to an estimated 717TWh in 2017, from 628TWh in 2016. The expansion brought renewables to 18% of total U.S. generation – double their contribution a decade ago. Renewables achieved new heights partly due to a rebound in hydro (up 13%, or 36TWh) as reservoir levels on the West Coast recovered after a severe, prolonged drought. At the
same time, a chart busting number of wind and solar projects built in 2016 (nearly 23GW worth) had their first full year of operation in 2017 , bolstering non -hydro renewable generation by 15% to 413TWh. The surge further establishes renewables’ critical role in the U.S. power mix – renewable
technologies now contribute nearly as much electricity as the nuclear fleet."

[chuckChuck]

SaskPower announces 10 megawatt solar project, first in Sask.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4284462/saskpower-announces-10-megawatt-solar-project-first-in-sask/

[seldomseen]

Thanks for kind of proving a point about how socialists work Chuck. The USA doesn't sign the Paris accord and won't force a carbon tax on its people just gets to work and builds infrastructure. Builds wind and solar; makes ethanol and bio diesel.

Here in good old socialists Canada we take a huge delegation to Paris and make grandiose speeches and sign the stupid accord with all the flare as if we just saved the world. Than come back here and force a tax on the people, but do nothing else at all other than talk!

[chuckChuck]

Thanks for kind of proving a point about how socialists work Chuck. The USA doesn't sign the Paris accord and won't force a carbon tax on its people just gets to work and builds infrastructure. Builds wind and solar; makes ethanol and bio diesel.

Here in good old socialists Canada we take a huge delegation to Paris and make grandiose speeches and sign the stupid accord with all the flare as if we just saved the world. Than come back here and force a tax on the people, but do nothing else at all other than talk!

I don't understand how a capitalist USA can be installing renewable energy capacity if it doesn't work?

And China a communist state is installing renewable energy capacity as well. Hmmmm?

Perhaps it has nothing to do with politics and is about making pragmatic decisions based on what is the cheapest and cleanest source of electricity?

Meanwhile some posters can't seem to tolerate any renewable technology and spend most of their time trying to repeatedly explain the obvious current limitations of wind and solar.

It is a good thing our ancestors weren't as negative as some posters and didn't just stop innovating and inventing after they created fire and stone tools, or we would all be still sitting in a damp cave! LOL

[oneoff]

Talk about missing the point!!!. And when will such people ever get their hands out of everyone else's pockets.

[oneoff]

Talk about missing the points!!!. And when will such people ever get their hands out of everyone else's pockets?