Seed Synergy... what does our Canadian seed system.. need to do?

[bucket]

Very good points Braveheart.

This is no seed synergy it is simply another form of taxation to subsidize a group who relies on primary producers for their pay cheque.

With no responsibility or liability for the messes they create...

AT a buck a tonne like they were talking about in Saskatoon...30 million on cereals alone....another 25 million for other grains ...

And checkoffs as well...

Benefitting who???????

[macdon02]

With no responsibility or liability for the messes they create...

AT a buck a tonne like they were talking about in Saskatoon...30 million on cereals alone....another 25 million for other grains ...

And checkoffs as well...

Benefitting who???????

A buck? I was told $4/mt was mentioned from neighbor that went. Of course I'm sure we'll get told it'll drop as the better varieties come on line....

[bucket]

IMHO

This whole process needs a restart with better starting point ideas other than taxing the primary producer....

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Bucket,
Hope your Christmas goes well in 2018... and 2019 brings many blessings and happiness.
Sincerely, Tom

Tom


Pretending that you give a **** about the average farmer is already getting old....

Why don't you tell your masters its a bad idea.....


I would put you right in the same room as Bill Boyd on the likeable scale. ....

It's Monday you can go back to preying on your neighbors. ....

[sumdumguy]

Greed - demon greed!

[Guest]

keyword in mallees post was $390 mt for wheat
the leaches will never give us that here , we can have a prairie wide drought here and all we will here about is the big crop 10000 miles away
don't people advocating for this realize there is no more to take ??.
wtf tom ???????

[bucket]

Dear Bucket,
Hope your Christmas goes well in 2018... and 2019 brings many blessings and happiness.
Sincerely, Tom

TOM

Upon reflection I believe your christmas greetings are getting sidetracked from the issue...

You believe in taxing your neighbours while you enjoy the spoils of providing , without any responsibility or liability, varieties that may or may not perform on your customers famers as well as your promotion....


Its interesting to see seed farms providing certified seeds as well as common seed in the same ad on kijiji...

How does that work????

getting out of paying the royalty to the breeder or slippage as they like to call it in public....in private they like to call farmers thieves for doing the same thing...buying seed from the neighbours ....and after one year on most farms its no longer pure seed...

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Braveheart;
We have been told: The Feds have told the Seed Industry leaders... 'Status Quo' is not an option...
I agree much innovation and good varieties have resulted from the present system...
I am simply providing another forum to take information forward... I personally agree with many of the points raised here. Thx for your thoughts!
Sincerely,
Tom

This idea of end point royalties is a seriously bad idea:

This begins a dangerous precedent that farmers somehow are responsible for funding someone else's innovation and research. What next? Hours on tractors or combines taxed? Fertilizer or pesticide levies to further research? When did seed think they became so special that they don't risk their own investment? Once that "risk" is taken away, an industry develops a lazy, entitled identity not driven by entrepreneurial spirit.

The administration of collecting royalties will create a new burdensome bureaucracy adding costs beyond the royalties farmers will pay.

As usual with most poorly considered ideas, the opposite of the intended effect will occur. In this case, as many farms are struggling financially, farmers will look for routes to bypass royalties. They'll use farm saved seed, or older varieties that EPR doesn't apply to. So, instead of this "keep Canada competitive" crap that is being spouted, the opposite will occur.

The timing of this couldn't be worse. Farmers are dealing with higher fertilizer prices, higher property taxes, carbon taxes, higher machinery costs, etc. Mergers of input suppliers are seeing higher prices throughout as those new large companies have raised prices to make sure farmers pay for the acquisitions. Ultimately killing your customer isn't good for future business.

This just a bad idea. It is regressive not progressive. If the seed industry's business model hasn't been correct up till now how have they survived, and seemingly prospered, and produced good varieties.

There is no guarantee that extra money may go to research it may just end up as extra cash in company bank accounts.

There are more seed players than SeCan by the way.

It's a bad idea Tom.

[bucket]

Dear Braveheart;
We have been told: The Feds have told the Seed Industry leaders... 'Status Quo' is not an option...
I agree much innovation and good varieties have resulted from the present system...
I am simply providing another forum to take information forward... I personally agree with many of the points raised here. Thx for your thoughts!
Sincerely,
Tom

Tom

But it depends on how you twist it to your masters.....

I sat in the saskatoon meeting without having my questions answered publicly....if I wanted to speak in private I could have email the presenters....

2 or 3 farmers came up and mentioned that my questions were good but not answered....

I was pissed that day....poorly presented and little info. ...and limited discussion while the seed trade has been working on this for 10 years....and still got more time at the mike than average farmers....

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Bucket,
Our own farm income... the vast majority comes from commercial sales to commercial grain buyers... not seed sales. The assumption that there is some kind of golden profitable opportunity provided by some 'Seed Synergy' tax system...is simply in your imagination. Reality is our farm survives on commercial grain sales much like your farm. Only we pay royalties and levies on all pedigreed seed we plant... which is needed to provide land use quality control protocol; for future land use for pedigreed seed production. Therefore all our commercial production comes from seed we pay royalties on each year. Is this an Added cost or investment in the future!? Only time will tell!! Cheers

TOM

Upon reflection I believe your christmas greetings are getting sidetracked from the issue...

You believe in taxing your neighbours while you enjoy the spoils of providing , without any responsibility or liability, varieties that may or may not perform on your customers famers as well as your promotion....


Its interesting to see seed farms providing certified seeds as well as common seed in the same ad on kijiji...

How does that work????

getting out of paying the royalty to the breeder or slippage as they like to call it in public....in private they like to call farmers thieves for doing the same thing...buying seed from the neighbours ....and after one year on most farms its no longer pure seed...

[bucket]

Dear Bucket,
Our own farm income... the vast majority comes from commercial sales to commercial grain buyers... not seed sales. The assumption that there is some kind of golden profitable opportunity provided by some 'Seed Synergy' tax system...is simply in your imagination. Reality is our farm survives on commercial grain sales much like your farm. Only we pay royalties and levies on all pedigreed seed we plant... which is needed to provide land use for future pedigreed seed production. Therefore all our commercial production comes from seed we pay royalties on each year. Is this an Added cost or investment in the future!? Only time will tell!! Cheers

It's a seed tax like the carbon tax like the gst like any other tax....

Mandatory taxes force guys to find loopholes which doesn't help.....

It's the same old shit ....don't take....ask.

[bucket]

Tom4cwb

Here is a question....

If you provide a farmer with certified seed and it doesn't perform .....what happens?

If he has his input and farming records and it is a dud... do you....


1. Ignore the farmer
2. Give him another variety free gratis
3. Tell him what he did wrong
4. Acknowledge the variety underperformed.


Meanwhile in order to get rid of the production he pays a royalty on an underperforming variety that where he could have used common seed....