Seed Synergy... what does our Canadian seed system.. need to do?

[Braveheart]

Another issue for me is the word "innovation" used in this discussion. Innovation is driven by farmers. How we use use and place fertilizer, use rotations, fungicide use and timing, etc all contribute to higher yields and better quality (weather dependent on both big time) than any innovation we've seen in varieties to date. So rewarding seed cos for innovation is a false reality.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket;
We are responsible to provide live planting seed... that meets the varietal description... and Seeds Act purity for seed grade sold to the farmer, Then we are responsible to pay the seed company who owns the variety... who has a contact to pay the plant breeder and institution.. who registered that variety. Thx, Tom

Tom4cwb

Here is a question....

If you provide a farmer with certified seed and it doesn't perform .....what happens?

If he has his input and farming records and it is a dud... do you....


1. Ignore the farmer
2. Give him another variety free gratis
3. Tell him what he did wrong
4. Acknowledge the variety underperformed.

[bucket]

Another issue for me is the word "innovation" used in this discussion. Innovation is driven by farmers. How we use use and place fertilizer, use rotations, fungicide use and timing, etc all contribute to higher yields and better quality (weather dependent on both big time) than any innovation we've seen in varieties to date. So rewarding seed cos for innovation is a false reality.

I asked that question at my table as well with a chart to back it up....since fertilizer use and chemical has increased substantially in the last 20 years along with changing rotations doesn't some of the increase in production and quality come from the farmer side ...not the genetics side...

In other words if I had fertilized then like I do today ,,, pretty sure those old varieties would perform as well without a royalty ...BUT ...they have been deregistered or reclassified....

Thats an interesting way of ensuring older varieties don't stick around....

That wasn't addressed even though it was asked....

[bucket]

Bucket;
We are responsible to provide live planting seed... that meets the varietal description... and Seeds Act purity for seed grade sold to the farmer, Then we are responsible to pay the seed company who owns the variety... who has a contact to pay the plant breeder and institution.. who registered that variety. Thx, Tom

So you ignore your customers...thanks for the insight from a seed growers perspective...

One of the reasons that I think they should have only had one representative at the meeting...


The seed growers don't really give a **** about run of the mill farmers...

very telling

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

On older varieties productivity;
Testing of new vs older genetics has been the scientific base for performance of varieties for more than half a century. AC Barrie is the base line comparison used today. "AC Barrie derives from the cross Neepawa/ Columbus//BW90 made in 1984. Neepawa, Columbus, and BW90 were developed at the Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada Research Centre, Winnipeg, MB." Therefore The standard used today in CWRS... is 34 years young... still a back check... that answers your varietal performance vs agronomic progression ... tested carefully decade after decade all across western Canada... coming from numerous local yearly valid comparisons. Better than previous genetics... is the cornerstone of our eligibility for new varietal registrations...seed system... in western Canada. Thx Tom

I asked that question at my table as well with a chart to back it up....since fertilizer use and chemical has increased substantially in the last 20 years along with changing rotations doesn't some of the increase in production and quality come from the farmer side ...not the genetics side...

In other words if I had fertilized then like I do today ,,, pretty sure those old varieties would perform as well without a royalty ...BUT ...they have been deregistered or reclassified....

Thats an interesting way of ensuring older varieties don't stick around....

That wasn't addressed even though it was asked....

[bucket]

Neepawa and columbus were reclassified to CNHR so barrie will move soon as well at a discount....


Brandon has also been on the chopping block....

[grassfarmer]

Playing the old shell game Tom - "wasn't us it was the Government" "can't do anything else to comply with UPOV'91" ignoring the realities that these things didn't just happen - they were lobbied for, they were part of someone's agenda and you are clearly on the side of them not us.
No doubt you've been in on the consultations since the outset just like you were on the Alberta land bills that took away farmers and landowner rights. A history of collusion.

[Guest]

I still would really sincerely like an answer to Walters question
why wasn't a seed grower held responsible for the triffid fiasco ?
why did they make it sound like it was a farmers fault ?
no one wanted the triffid flax and we paid for years for that ?
tom ? anyone ???

[farmaholic]

Playing the old shell game Tom - "wasn't us it was the Government" "can't do anything else to comply with UPOV'91" ignoring the realities that these things didn't just happen - they were lobbied for, they were part of someone's agenda and you are clearly on the side of them not us.
No doubt you've been in on the consultations since the outset just like you were on the Alberta land bills that took away farmers and landowner rights. A history of collusion.

Didn't you send the poor Sap a donation through the "Go Fund(****) Me" page when the railroad put a lien on his land after the "hero" let his name stand as representing the Claimants?

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Grassfarmer,
Not sure where my negative 'property landowner comments' came from, a mystery to me. Your version of where I am responsible/ onside with increased taxing collusion within the seed industry... as well... is not representative [opposite to... in reality] recent presentations to CSGA in Winnipeg; and clear signals to ....seed organizations in Early November and December... that the approach being used in 'Seed Synergy' was counter to many grain farmer's interests. Cheers

Playing the old shell game Tom - "wasn't us it was the Government" "can't do anything else to comply with UPOV'91" ignoring the realities that these things didn't just happen - they were lobbied for, they were part of someone's agenda and you are clearly on the side of them not us.
No doubt you've been in on the consultations since the outset just like you were on the Alberta land bills that took away farmers and landowner rights. A history of collusion.

[malleefarmer]

keyword in mallees post was $390 mt for wheat
the leaches will never give us that here , we can have a prairie wide drought here and all we will here about is the big crop 10000 miles away
don't people advocating for this realize there is no more to take ??.
wtf tom ???????

drought here serious drought

[TOM4CWB]

CaseIH
On triffid flax... the needed legal and moral stamina... to break the western Canadian plant breeding system apart... would have been sort of like shooting ourselves in the foot. Painful, nonproductive... and an added penalty... of reassembling our plant breeding infrastructure... at added great cost on top of initial losses. Triffid flax was an unfair costly mess... that cost our own farm way over 6 figures ...
A Canadian class action legal solution... that is/was flawed by many American standards.. at least... appeared to make Canadian legal proceedings here... 1. high risk with low probability of real financial compensation returned to grain growers. 2. Suing Universities.. poorly capitalized seed co's... along with plant breeders and their staff...that very likely missed the problem ... ended with accidental widespread contamination of virtually all Canadian flax genetics... meant real financial pain for most flax growers/industry...
Thx; Tom

I still would really sincerely like an answer to Walters question
why wasn't a seed grower held responsible for the triffid fiasco ?
why did they make it sound like it was a farmers fault ?
no one wanted the triffid flax and we paid for years for that ?
tom ? anyone ???