What do you guys make of this?

[pourfarmer]

My opinion, besides stated,is that glyphosate is a valuable pesticide. I use it in minute quantities, and flollow the label. My mom and paternal grandmother died from cancer before we ever used glyphosate. My Dad just passed at the age of 90 ultimately from heart failure. In the last decades he used to ride his quad around the fields we were spraying with glyphosate.

I am very suspicious of any disparaging comments re glyphosate. I trust Health Canada, but distrust any UN agency.

Glyphosate is far and away the most valuable tool we have in our arsenal. IMO.

Sorry to hear about your father. He likely had a healthy microbiome from years of eating food that wasnt sprayed preharvest. Some people aren't so lucky, many won't experience food without "safe" levels of glysophate residue. Thanks for your comment!

[hobbyfrmr]

None of the claims against glyphosate are scientifically proven.
Buy 2 sprayers and fil em up with double rate glyphosate all season long baaaaaby.

[Tucker]

Who wants to live forever anyway. "A long life is not a blessing." Super old guy told me that.

[pgluca]

It may be entirely marketing by scare tactics and conspiracy theories, but our consumers believe it. This battle has already been lost. Science isn't going to win this debate. We need to protect glyphosate as a preseeding or post harvest tool, by eliminating its use in any application where it can result in residues. If not, we risk losing it entirely, regardless of what common sense or science might say.

I suggest that the majority of people posting on this topic read your post 3 times. You are absolutely correct. Science has nothing to do with it. The battle was lost long ago. Be pragmatic and don't use it as a preharvest, there are other products that aren't on the radar on social media.

[blackpowder]

We overlook the dose when we hear poison or chemical. Heard the same way these days.
I remember Korean exchange students who skinned every piece of fruit they touched or they wouldn't eat it.
Hard to explain to a consumer why a sprayer going just before harvest. So we will see limits or bans placed on an essential tool with no replacement.
Don Huber's work regarding micros and glyphosate, tossed together in a tin foil hat, boiled with a poor image and voila!
Shit sandwich.

[Tucker]

Okay. Vape pens. Kids now can take the equivalent of a cigarette nicotine in one hit off a vape pen. Which can be as easily filled with THC. Omg the bogeyman weed. Why the **** are we getting all bent out of shape about tiny residues of glyphosate? You can almost drink the stuff full strength. It's salt. I am not going to go through the math again but I did in a prior post about the ****ing miniscule amounts of glyphosate you might get from a loaf of bread.

I'm a millionaire. Almost every farmer reading this site is as well. I'd rather be running a surf shop on a beach in maybe not Mexico now but I'd do great in Cuba. Push us. We'll leave and **** all you tree ****ing huggers.

[sumdumguy]

Okay. Vape pens. Kids now can take the equivalent of a cigarette nicotine in one hit off a vape pen. Which can be as easily filled with THC. Omg the bogeyman weed. Why the **** are we getting all bent out of shape about tiny residues of glyphosate? You can almost drink the stuff full strength. It's salt. I am not going to go through the math again but I did in a prior post about the ****ing miniscule amounts of glyphosate you might get from a loaf of bread.

I'm a millionaire. Almost every farmer reading this site is as well. I'd rather be running a surf shop on a beach in maybe not Mexico now but I'd do great in Cuba. Push us. We'll leave and **** all you tree ****ing huggers.

Tucker, I have a restaurant in Cuba - hell of a deal.

[farmaholic]

My fruit? I'm a grain farmer

Read between the bloody lines. I assume he means the raw fruit and vegetables people are buying and consuming. "Chemicals and poisons" applied on these tender skinned and fleshy little "healthy" alternatives at every stage of development. Wash them to your heart's content, you won't wash off what's been absorbed either.

Enjoy your chemical romance, no escaping it, you're surrounded by it in every aspect of your life....unless you are living in the stone-age in a cave. Even your house is killing you!

You are living in a synthetic world whether you want to or not!!! You can't escape and are doomed.

You can escape it by "leaving early" and taking all the brainwashed cult members with you, Kool-aid anyone?

[pourfarmer]

Read between the bloody lines. I assume he means the raw fruit and vegetables people are buying and consuming. "Chemicals and poisons" applied on these tender skinned and fleshy little "healthy" alternatives at every stage of development. Wash them to your heart's content, you won't wash off what's been absorbed either.

Enjoy your chemical romance, no escaping it, you're surrounded by it in every aspect of your life....unless you are living in the stone-age in a cave. Even your house is killing you!

You are living in a synthetic world whether you want to or not!!! You can't escape and are doomed.

You can escape it by "leaving early" and taking all the brainwashed cult members with you, Kool-aid anyone?

It's true, 96 percent of babies are born with teflon compounds in their blood stream.

[fjlip]

Yes unfortunately the consumer is always right, perception, fear, doubt...and they vote with their wallets too. 40 years ago I took a chem applicators class, instructor said what I believe best sums it all up, Dilute, dilute dilute and any poison is less deadly. That is all we do, No Chems are totally benign.

[pourfarmer]

What I gathered so far;


The science is wrong. Roundup does NOT destroy gut bacteria that help us break down food into the chemicals our bodies require.

Chinese and Indian grown foods are not safe. (?)

Buy a 2nd sprayer, claims aren't proven, double up rate. (lol)

Chemical companies aren't honest, says poison right on the label.

Vape pens and weed are worse (?) if we can no longer spray roundup in crop or preharvest, farmers will leave the country which will results in mass famine.

Our environment is synthetic unless we live in a cave/stone age, because of this, the current way we use roundup is not a problem.

Because it is so heavily diluted, 540g per litre active and 10-15g per acre total applied, that is safe to ingest multiple times per day.

edit: There are only 1 way to grow food so future generations can eat, and it is the chemically dependant zero till model. Heavy tillage is required every time glyphosate is not used, depleting the topsoil via erosion.


Hope I didn't miss anything.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to express their critical thoughts.



Science is learning new things everyday, about the way our bodies work, soils work, and what 30 years of glyphosate usage has done to 'normal, non synthetic functions' of those systems. And the signs are not in favour of continued glyphosate use. Maybe now is a good time to start looking for that surf shop Tucker.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

What I gathered so far;


The science is wrong. Roundup does NOT destroy gut bacteria that help us break down food into the chemicals our bodies require.
Chinese and Indian grown foods are not safe. (?)

Buy a 2nd sprayer, claims aren't proven, double up rate. (lol)

Chemical companies aren't honest, says poison right on the label.

Vape pens and weed are worse (?) if we can no longer spray roundup in crop or preharvest, farmers will leave the country which will results in mass famine.

Our environment is synthetic unless we live in a cave/stone age, because of this, the current way we use roundup is not a problem.

Because it is so heavily diluted, 540g per litre active and 10-15g per acre total applied, that is safe to ingest multiple times per day.



Hope I didn't miss anything.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to express their critical thoughts.



Science is learning new things everyday, about the way our bodies work, soils work, and what 30 years of glyphosate usage has done to 'normal, non synthetic functions' of those systems. And the signs are not in favour of continued glyphosate use. Maybe now is a good time to start looking for that surf shop Tucker.

Yes, you missed the fact that glyphosate Has one extremely vital use For conserving our precious topsoil So future generations can still eat. Barren subsoil won't grow much with or without chemicals. Let's pretend that a hypothetical study finds that play ***** is lowering average human life expectancy by one year. While simultaneously extending the productive life of our soils by centuries. Which is the lesser of the two evils? The brook soils, the erosion of civilizations needs to be mandatory reading for all. In many areas of the world, full tillage Can and has completely destroyed the productivity of soils in a matter of decades or less.

Let's stick with addressing the Multiple uses of this chemical Independently of each other. Painting pre-seed, and pre Harvest with the same brush is Going to result in losing use of it for both purposes