What do you guys make of this?

[pourfarmer]

Read between the bloody lines. I assume he means the raw fruit and vegetables people are buying and consuming. "Chemicals and poisons" applied on these tender skinned and fleshy little "healthy" alternatives at every stage of development. Wash them to your heart's content, you won't wash off what's been absorbed either.

Enjoy your chemical romance, no escaping it, you're surrounded by it in every aspect of your life....unless you are living in the stone-age in a cave. Even your house is killing you!

You are living in a synthetic world whether you want to or not!!! You can't escape and are doomed.

You can escape it by "leaving early" and taking all the brainwashed cult members with you, Kool-aid anyone?

It's true, 96 percent of babies are born with teflon compounds in their blood stream.

[fjlip]

Yes unfortunately the consumer is always right, perception, fear, doubt...and they vote with their wallets too. 40 years ago I took a chem applicators class, instructor said what I believe best sums it all up, Dilute, dilute dilute and any poison is less deadly. That is all we do, No Chems are totally benign.

[pourfarmer]

What I gathered so far;


The science is wrong. Roundup does NOT destroy gut bacteria that help us break down food into the chemicals our bodies require.

Chinese and Indian grown foods are not safe. (?)

Buy a 2nd sprayer, claims aren't proven, double up rate. (lol)

Chemical companies aren't honest, says poison right on the label.

Vape pens and weed are worse (?) if we can no longer spray roundup in crop or preharvest, farmers will leave the country which will results in mass famine.

Our environment is synthetic unless we live in a cave/stone age, because of this, the current way we use roundup is not a problem.

Because it is so heavily diluted, 540g per litre active and 10-15g per acre total applied, that is safe to ingest multiple times per day.

edit: There are only 1 way to grow food so future generations can eat, and it is the chemically dependant zero till model. Heavy tillage is required every time glyphosate is not used, depleting the topsoil via erosion.


Hope I didn't miss anything.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to express their critical thoughts.



Science is learning new things everyday, about the way our bodies work, soils work, and what 30 years of glyphosate usage has done to 'normal, non synthetic functions' of those systems. And the signs are not in favour of continued glyphosate use. Maybe now is a good time to start looking for that surf shop Tucker.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

What I gathered so far;


The science is wrong. Roundup does NOT destroy gut bacteria that help us break down food into the chemicals our bodies require.
Chinese and Indian grown foods are not safe. (?)

Buy a 2nd sprayer, claims aren't proven, double up rate. (lol)

Chemical companies aren't honest, says poison right on the label.

Vape pens and weed are worse (?) if we can no longer spray roundup in crop or preharvest, farmers will leave the country which will results in mass famine.

Our environment is synthetic unless we live in a cave/stone age, because of this, the current way we use roundup is not a problem.

Because it is so heavily diluted, 540g per litre active and 10-15g per acre total applied, that is safe to ingest multiple times per day.



Hope I didn't miss anything.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to express their critical thoughts.



Science is learning new things everyday, about the way our bodies work, soils work, and what 30 years of glyphosate usage has done to 'normal, non synthetic functions' of those systems. And the signs are not in favour of continued glyphosate use. Maybe now is a good time to start looking for that surf shop Tucker.

Yes, you missed the fact that glyphosate Has one extremely vital use For conserving our precious topsoil So future generations can still eat. Barren subsoil won't grow much with or without chemicals. Let's pretend that a hypothetical study finds that play ***** is lowering average human life expectancy by one year. While simultaneously extending the productive life of our soils by centuries. Which is the lesser of the two evils? The brook soils, the erosion of civilizations needs to be mandatory reading for all. In many areas of the world, full tillage Can and has completely destroyed the productivity of soils in a matter of decades or less.

Let's stick with addressing the Multiple uses of this chemical Independently of each other. Painting pre-seed, and pre Harvest with the same brush is Going to result in losing use of it for both purposes

[pourfarmer]

Yes, you missed the fact that glyphosate Has one extremely vital use For conserving our precious topsoil So future generations can still eat. Barren subsoil won't grow much with or without chemicals. Let's pretend that a hypothetical study finds that play ***** is lowering average human life expectancy by one year. While simultaneously extending the productive life of our soils by centuries. Which is the lesser of the two evils? The brook soils, the erosion of civilizations needs to be mandatory reading for all. In many areas of the world, full tillage Can and has completely destroyed the productivity of soils in a matter of decades or less.

Let's stick with addressing the Multiple uses of this chemical Independently of each other. Painting pre-seed, and pre Harvest with the same brush is Going to result in losing use of it for both purposes

Sorry, I will edit my post and add:

There are only 1 way to grow food so future generations can eat, and it is the chemically dependant zero till model. Heavy tillage is required every time glyphosate is not used, depleting the topsoil via erosion.

In your opinion, is this constant in all growing areas?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Sorry, I will edit my post and add:

There are only 1 way to grow food so future generations can eat, and it is the chemically dependant zero till model. Heavy tillage is required every time glyphosate is not used, depleting the topsoil via erosion.

In your opinion, is this constant in all growing areas?

No, read the book, it lists the three areas of the world That are the exception. The prairies of western Canada are not amongst them.

So I assume you must be one of the organic no till farmers that Austranada Was telling us about? Please share your secrets, I quite seriously will switch over immediately If you tell me how to do it.

[Guest]

My fruit? I'm a grain farmer

I am too
But i eat fruit and suspect you do too
Why dont they go after that for a while ?
They are spraying real chems on prior to packaging
But thats ok i guess

[pourfarmer]

No, read the book, it lists the three areas of the world That are the exception. The prairies of western Canada are not amongst them.

So I assume you must be one of the organic no till farmers that Austranada Was telling us about? Please share your secrets, I quite seriously will switch over immediately If you tell me how to do it.

I will try and find the time to read the book you suggest, perhaps over the holidays. But I will say the prairies of western Canada change quite significantly from the arid Palliser triangle up to the rain soaked peaty loam in Melfort/Nipawin area down to the heavy clay loam in the red river basin. Ask any Red River farmer if zero till works there, same goes for 'up north'. I am sure we have guys on here that farm in those areas that may be able to shed some light.

No not at all, although I am working to reduce tillage. I am located in the northern plains, in a high rain fall area with limited above zero days. Tillage is done here by both conventional and organic farmers, in order to warm the soil up in the spring and to dry it out. Zero till has been tried here, with limited success. If the climate changes, it may work here.

Despite regular tillage, I have seen an increase in my OM since transitioning to organic. My biological life is up substantially and recovers well after tillage. I have seen very little erosion from run off, and zero from wind. I make use of biological amendments similar to ecotea (home brewed), cover crop plow downs, humate, composted cow manure. The weeds persist but are getting better every year as the soils biological components being to balance. Perennial weeds such as thistle are in check, but I am still fighting things like mustard, lambs quarter, millet, small surface growing weeds. I am making money, the farm is growing and my family is happy.

I have no secrets. I wont BS you, it was a struggle to get to this point from our conventional farm. The first 3 years were awful, I regretted every decision we made. I laid awake at night worried I would lose a 3rd generation farm. My farming friends disowned me, they could not be associated with a tree hugging hippy. Things did not get better until the first field we transitioned grew more organic wheat per acre then we ever got off it conventionally. And then the next year, everyone had high fuz and we had none. Then I had people assume I am spraying because our crops are relatively weed free. Little by little things got better, and here we are.

There are guys doing no till organic in the mid west and around that palliser triangle area. They are doing amazing things and rival any conventional yield. I am a bit salty that it does not work here as I feel it would eliminate a lot of the challenges I am facing with the surface growing weeds.

Best of luck with whatever you do, if I can help you in anyway please feel free to reach out.

[pourfarmer]

I am too
But i eat fruit and suspect you do too
Why dont they go after that for a while ?
They are spraying real chems on prior to packaging
But thats ok i guess

To be open, I knew what you meant. I wanted clarify I have no control or complacency with the current fruit production system.

I try and strive for local fruit when possible. My wife can's quite a bit of our own stuff, and we will buy a case or two of BC peaches when the truck comes.

But no, I agree with you. Synthetic chem applied directly before consumption is not ideal.

I stand with you in condemning the use of fresh fruit stabilisers, a worthy plight in my opinion. If consumers only knew....

[blackpowder]

A mix of systems should be fine too when they work. Open mind.

A good start would be getting rid of fixed land costs of $100/ac/ year on owned and rented.