Nutrients in Fruits and Vegetables

[Guest]

The CFIA told me about 10 years ago that they don’t check imported fruit for chemical residues so I suspect they don’t test for minerals either. Just assuming.

Spend all their ****ing time testing everything we grow and do instead

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Austranada, can you explain this paradox. If the problem is mining the soil of nutrients, how is a system which places arbitrary restrictions on replacing nutrients (or at least makes it much more difficult and expensive) going to improve the situation?

[helmsdale]

Austranada, can you explain this paradox. If the problem is mining the soil of nutrients, how is a system which places arbitrary restrictions on replacing nutrients (or at least makes it much more difficult and expensive) going to improve the situation?

Its glyphosate... Haven't you gotten the memo?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Its glyphosate... Haven't you gotten the memo?

I got that memo, has been beating me across the head with it for months now, but he is also advocating organic, and I don't see how that solves the bigger problem of soil that is being mined.

[Guest]

Austranada, can you explain this paradox. If the problem is mining the soil of nutrients, how is a system which places arbitrary restrictions on replacing nutrients (or at least makes it much more difficult and expensive) going to improve the situation?

Congratulations you appear to have attained liminality. Keep searching but go easy on all the assumptions

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Congratulations you appear to have attained liminality. Keep searching but go easy on all the assumptions

Well, thank you, I just learned something useful today. I had to look up the definition of liminality. But, sorry, it didn't just occur, I've been frustrated by conventional agricultures unwillingness to pay any premium for doing the right thing, and organics insistence on paying a premium only if you do all the wrong things.

I told you before, if you want to market my products with a system in between the two that rewards sustainable practices, produces healthy products(provably, and distinguishably so), and is based on science not emotion, I am all in.

[rumrocks]

I don't understand why the government would not do a random nutritional analysis of the fruits and vegetables from 5 or 6 locations and brands across Canada every 8 or 10 years. I'm sure they have employees who would jump at the chance to get out from behind their desks.
Consumers would then have some idea if they were meeting their required daily nutritional needs. From the little bit of research I've done, some supplied by others on this site, it seems that the numbers have dropped by 20 to 70 percent depending on the vitamin or mineral tested. Maybe that's what the government and producers are concerned about, if consumers knew the actual numbers they would just say to hell with fruit and vegetables, much to the horror of Health Canada.

[Guest]

http://www.ecofarmingdaily.com/soil-restoration-5-core-principles/

[workboots]

http://www.ecofarmingdaily.com/soil-restoration-5-core-principles/

Interesting read. I agree with a lot of this, but I don’t understand this bit I found near the end of the article. Maybe someone can explain.



“ It is widely recognized that only 10-15 percent of fertilizer P is taken up by crops and pastures in the year of application. If P fertilizer has been applied for the previous 10 years, there will be sufficient P for the next 100 years, irrespective of how much was in the soil beforehand. Rather than apply more P, it is more economical to activate soil microbes in order to access the P already there. “

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Interesting read. I agree with a lot of this, but I don’t understand this bit I found near the end of the article. Maybe someone can explain.



“ It is widely recognized that only 10-15 percent of fertilizer P is taken up by crops and pastures in the year of application. If P fertilizer has been applied for the previous 10 years, there will be sufficient P for the next 100 years, irrespective of how much was in the soil beforehand. Rather than apply more P, it is more economical to activate soil microbes in order to access the P already there. “

That is a very good ROI, somewhere between 1000% and 1500%, It appears as though it is not only the socialists who aren't good at math.

I tend to be very suspicious of anyone who thinks the laws of physics don't apply to them. Especially the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

[Guest]

Well, thank you, I just learned something useful today. I had to look up the definition of liminality. But, sorry, it didn't just occur, I've been frustrated by conventional agricultures unwillingness to pay any premium for doing the right thing, and organics insistence on paying a premium only if you do all the wrong things.

I told you before, if you want to market my products with a system in between the two that rewards sustainable practices, produces healthy products(provably, and distinguishably so), and is based on science not emotion, I am all in.

https://civileats.com/2017/07/10/should-regenerative-agriculture-get-its-own-label/

[farmaholic]

Well, thank you, I just learned something useful today. I had to look up the definition of liminality. But, sorry, it didn't just occur, I've been frustrated by conventional agricultures unwillingness to pay any premium for doing the right thing, and organics insistence on paying a premium only if you do all the wrong things.

I told you before, if you want to market my products with a system in between the two that rewards sustainable practices, produces healthy products(provably, and distinguishably so), and is based on science not emotion, I am all in.

I looked up the definition of liminality too, in layman's terms it's even akin to sitting on the fence. Not fully in one camp or the other, or in transition.

IMO, nothing wrong with being in that phase or place and maybe even staying there, you don't have as far to go in either direction you want to travel(and maybe back), being ABSOLUTELY in one camp or the other and seeing no benefits of the other side....well that space is reserved for ZEALOTS!

Nice word though, thanks Austranada.