Nutrients in Fruits and Vegetables

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I looked up the definition of liminality too, in layman's terms it's even akin to sitting on the fence. Not fully in one camp or the other, or in transition.

IMO, nothing wrong with being in that phase or place and maybe even staying there, you don't have as far to go in either direction you want to travel(and maybe back), being ABSOLUTELY in one camp or the other and seeing no benefits of the other side....well that space is reserved for ZEALOTS!

Nice word though, thanks Austranada.

And isn't that a much more productive and useful state of mind to be in, than the idealogues on either extreme of most of these issues, for whom no amount of evidence or new information could ever change their minds? Agriville has many examples of such idealogues, on both sides of many issues, not the least of which is global warming.

[workboots]

That is a very good ROI, somewhere between 1000% and 1500%, It appears as though it is not only the socialists who aren't good at math.

I tend to be very suspicious of anyone who thinks the laws of physics don't apply to them. Especially the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

It just seems strange to suggest that the solution to phosphorous availability and crop needs for the next 100 years is simply use what is available.

A test of average soil P ppm available/not available, compared to the removal would show the validity of this claim.

Is this the best solution going in the organics world for covering the Phos needs?

Albertafarner5 makes a valid point.

Why don’t consumers pay a premium for crops grown with wastewater recovered phos products like the crystal green.

We might be facing global shortages of traditionally mined phos reserves in the next 20 years yet we let this precious resource run off into waterways and into our oceans. We should be looking for solutions to this problem now and incentivizing consumers and government to act. The producers will follow suit when the $ premium shows up.

And that goes for bringing a legume into the rotation as well. A farm could greatly reduce its synthetically derived nitrogen use with a legume in the rotation, but if doesn’t pay then what’s the incentive.

Right now the producer could reduce in crop pesticide use, bring in more sustainable fertilizer practices and replenish micronutrients to the soil and subsequently the grains. He could even run all his machinery with epa clean burners, but at the end of the day he doesn’t receive any premium for his product.

Instead we’re told to flog the chem, pound the fert, grow grow grow regardless of anything, pumping all the $$ back into the big agribusinesses Corp. The next phase is a drive toward data driven ag and precision ag that will perpetuate the forcing of farmers into larger economies of scale requirements and less privacy and independence. I doubt this means better quality food and more $ back to the farmers, well maybe a few farmer but not the network of primary producers as a whole.

How do we compete with growing regions like Argentina, and Russia if they are adopting techs and innovating as fast as we are and the costs to produce are less.

[Guest]

And isn't that a much more productive and useful state of mind to be in, than the idealogues on either extreme of most of these issues, for whom no amount of evidence or new information could ever change their minds? Agriville has many examples of such idealogues, on both sides of many issues, not the least of which is global warming.

If organic or regenerative farming (Gabe Brown for example) is one extreme do you have the courage to describe what's wrong with the other extreme (mainstream ag). Your secateurs appear to be mysteriously sharp when cutting down the former then just as amazingly get dull when defending the latter. It really isn't productive to be a subjective fence sitter.

[farmaholic]

If organic or regenerative farming (Gabe Brown for example) is one extreme do you have the courage to describe what's wrong with the other extreme (mainstream ag). Your secateurs appear to be mysteriously sharp when cutting down the former then just as amazingly get dull when defending the latter. It really isn't productive to be a subjective fence sitter.

Pros and cons Austranada, pros and cons of each.

How about focusing on the pros of each for a change, instead of slagging each method.

This is getting old!

[Guest]

Pros and cons Austranada, pros and cons of each.

How about focusing on the pros of each for a change, instead of slagging each method.

This is getting old!

I hear you. Allow me to rephrase the question by simply substituting the word "wrong" with "right". This may elicit a more interesting response

[farmaholic]

I hear you. Allow me to rephrase the question by simply substituting the word "wrong" with "right". This may elicit a more interesting response

It's all been discussed ad nauseam.

[Guest]

It's all been discussed ad nauseam.

Sorry to hear you're nauseous. Bayer makes a product called Berocca. They recommend you use it everyday.

[furrowtickler]

And here I thought this thread was about the value of pot and the users in BC ...
you know those Trudeau supporters an all ... 😂

[the big wheel]

Fruit and vegetable?
Truduea and Trump?

[helmsdale]

It just seems strange to suggest that the solution to phosphorous availability and crop needs for the next 100 years is simply use what is available.

A test of average soil P ppm available/not available, compared to the removal would show the validity of this claim.

Is this the best solution going in the organics world for covering the Phos needs?

"Organic phosphate"... taking the raw phosphate mined out of the ground and dumping it on for 1 or 2 years in wild quantities is the organic industry answer...

Some guys are spreading 500-1000lb/ac with 3-5% being available the first year. Remainder being mineralized out of the very long term

[AlbertaFarmer5]

"Organic phosphate"... taking the raw phosphate mined out of the ground and dumping it on for 1 or 2 years in wild quantities is the organic industry answer...

Some guys are spreading 500-1000lb/ac with 3-5% being available the first year. Remainder being mineralized out of the very long term

Another of the purely arbitrary rules of the organic industry, with no agronomic basis, and no measurable benefit or detriment to the end product. We need another rationale option in between.

[Guest]

If organic or regenerative farming (Gabe Brown for example) is one extreme do you have the courage to describe what's wrong with the other extreme (mainstream ag). Your secateurs appear to be mysteriously sharp when cutting down the former then just as amazingly get dull when defending the latter. It really isn't productive to be a subjective fence sitter.

As farma kindly pointed out let's focus on what's right then. The original question was asked of you. What's right with the other extreme or are you nauseous as well ?
Is this a "don't ask don't tell" scenario like the pesticide thread no one had the courage to respond to?