What I am concerned about....

[Guest]

Where are those type of leaders today? Unfortunately bucket, society does not produce these type of individuals anymore, when you are given a medal for finishing last, the same participation medal as the person that finished first, there is no incentive to do any better. No better example of that is with the so called irregular border crossers, in real terms illegal border crossers. These people have committed a crime but yet they are now on the same level as those who have come to this country and pursued immigration through the proper channels. We in this country over the last 25-30 years have reverted to such a snowflake society that everyone is offended over something and we have tried to balance that out by making everyone feel warm and fuzzy and equal. You and I know that life is not fair and equal, different people start out at different levels and face vastly different challenges in life to suceed. In my opinion today's society not only doesn't foster a climate where the best and brightest can flourish but penalizes them by giving out participation medals instead of the needed help to the disadvantaged so that they too can strive to suceed. We have a problem in this country, and it is socialism, society deems it better to bring people down instead of helping people rise up. The days of strong leaders such as Winston Churchill, Margret Thatcher, Ronnie Reagen are long gone , society is to soft to produce these type of leaders. I have read somewhere or maybe it was a quote on another forum " Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create soft men, Soft men create hard times." This rambling has just been my own observations and opinions and is now open to ridicule and debate.

I think we're in between the last two "times" you quoted, in Australia as well. Definitely overburdened with bureaucracy and post turtles.

[foragefarmer]

Farma

"and one day reality might slap the lastest generation in the face so hard they won't know what the **** hit them. There seems no desire to work and get ahead, seasonal employment, menial jobs, an attitude of entitlement, when the previous generation's wealth is diminshed things might get pretty ****en tough."


I have two children and 16 nieces and nephews between the ages of 20-34, your above statement couldn't be more inaccurate.

From what I understand you have children of your own, would you be describing them in your above statement? I doubt it.

Better yet let's ask all Agriville posters if you described their children. Again I doubt it.

Please don't feed me the B.S line that your referring to the urban young people, because how would you know that living in rural Sk.

Have a bit of faith, you were a young punk in some older guys eyes at one time and look how you turned out!

[farmaholic]

Forage, the comment definitely wouldn't be all inclusive, but I stand by my comment. Maybe I'm just a hard-ass with high expectations.

As for how I turned out, that would be a matter of opinion.

No formal education, out of highschool I worked part-time from fall to spring for 9 years and at home at the same time and farmed full time in the summer. Then quit to farm fulltime. Read lots but never learned anything...lol.

[grassfarmer]

Where did all the great politicians go? The people with the same characteristics are still being born - maybe less of them are choosing to get into politics with the fishbowl it has become of 24/7 media scrutiny? "Great" leaders are remembered for generations but I think it's also true that it takes times when conditions are extremely bad for these leaders to be needed and for them to rise to the occasion in the public perception. Winston Churchill would be the classic case - famous for his war time leadership but not that successful politically in peace time. When times are easy and the problems are "relatively" small like in most western nations at the moment it doesn't demand the best politicians - which is maybe why we've got what we've got?

[Misterjade9]

Pgluca: Don't you think we are already feeling the effects of this society? We elected a party to run this country whose leader was one of those given a medal for just showing up.

" I could have been an actor, but I wound up here."
" I just have to look good, I don't need to be clear."

Don Henley, from the song Dirty Laundry.

[sumdumguy]

Where did all the great politicians go? The people with the same characteristics are still being born - maybe less of them are choosing to get into politics with the fishbowl it has become of 24/7 media scrutiny? "Great" leaders are remembered for generations but I think it's also true that it takes times when conditions are extremely bad for these leaders to be needed and for them to rise to the occasion in the public perception. Winston Churchill would be the classic case - famous for his war time leadership but not that successful politically in peace time. When times are easy and the problems are "relatively" small like in most western nations at the moment it doesn't demand the best politicians - which is maybe why we've got what we've got?

A leader like Winston Churchill would be ridiculed in today’s social media and fakes newspapers. You only need to turn on CNN to see the battering that Trump takes on a constant basis. Jean Chretien, now he had the qualities - he was focused and deliberate - deliberate enough to grab a protester by the neck, I don’t know what he intended to do to the protestor once he had him in a choke-hold but he showed his deliberation. He had vision for the economics of this nation and no one was going to stand in his way. Now, Trudeau as well as Scheer, Harper and all are just la de da, I’ll just stand here and put a smile(or smirk) on my face while every special interest group derails every economic initiative and I won’t have to do anything. “Consult, include special groups in benefits, but get to work and Get It Done.”

[SASKFARMER3]

ok, you all know I hate the current bunch of liberals and Detest Trudeau. Hell, he is the worst Pm in the whole history of Canada.

Ask the fool a question get nothing after listening to him for 5 min.

But when the cow went to the airport to greet the Saudi girl What the F#$K was she thinking.

This isn't doing anything for Canada but it will bring in more trouble let me tell you.

Bucket you hit the nail on the head. It's scary and the one you missed is the amount of debt Canada is taking on with nothing to show for it.

[jazz]

The libs fall all over themselves for the photo op and then no follow through. Just like the 50,000 Syrian refugees just dump off in Canada. Most of them still at food banks getting supports, no skills, no money to upgrade, no English. The are DOA in this country.

[pgluca]

Pgluca: Don't you think we are already feeling the effects of this society? We elected a party to run this country whose leader was one of those given a medal for just showing up.

" I could have been an actor, but I wound up here."
" I just have to look good, I don't need to be clear."

Don Henley, from the song Dirty Laundry.

Misterjade9, We are undoubtably feeling the effects. However until the severity is great enough that it becomes an issue that resonates with a significant portion of the population nothing will happen. Also there has to be recognition of the cause. Perhaps that will be the hardest part because it will require realizing that the "everyone is entitled and everyone is equal" philosophy is just unworkable.

Regarding the issue of a competent and viable country leadership, I wonder if, as political correctness becomes more important than rational and functional policy, a country essentially becomes ungovernable.

Politicians as was pointed out by someone else, seem to have only one focus....reelection, which makes them political prostitutes for every popular cause, or loud special interest group, etc. And as I wrote earlier you have to be "SPECIAL" to want that job, being an egomaniac or someone with a superiority complex combined with self masochistic tendencies would fit. The Ed Stellmacs (I may have spelled his name wrong) of this world, who only want to promote good government get crushed.

[grassfarmer]

A leader like Winston Churchill would be ridiculed in today’s social media and fakes newspapers. You only need to turn on CNN to see the battering that Trump takes on a constant basis.

I don't believe anyone could seriously consider mentioning Trump in the same breath as Churchill. Opposite ends of the spectrum of leadership.

..But when the cow went to the airport to greet the Saudi girl...

Well there's one reason half the population doesn't want to get into politics. Ignorant misogyny.

You're a big talker SF3 - always wanting better representation from useless farm organizations - what have you ever done to improve them? Endless time and resources on your hands and I bet you've done nothing to further or represent any group.

[burnt]

I don't believe anyone could seriously consider mentioning Trump in the same breath as Churchill. Opposite ends of the spectrum of leadership...

Not all would agree. There is one camp who unceremoniously lumps them into the same heap.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/winston-churchill-british-empire-colonialism https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/winston-churchill-british-empire-colonialism

When our times have had the sterilizing benefit of 50 -75 years of retrospect, it will be interesting to see how history has presented today's leaders.

Whatever Churchill was in reality, he was the leader the Western world needed for that time. All have feet of clay.

[grassfarmer]

Not all would agree. There is one camp who unceremoniously lumps them into the same heap.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/winston-churchill-british-empire-colonialism https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/winston-churchill-british-empire-colonialism

When our times have had the sterilizing benefit of 50 -75 years of retrospect, it will be interesting to see how history has presented today's leaders.

Whatever Churchill was in reality, he was the leader the Western world needed for that time. All have feet of clay.

Without a doubt Churchill had his flaws but his wartime leadership will be remembered as his (and Britain's) finest hour.
Trump's reign is more likely to be remembered as the "WTF era."