Trudeau's excuse....

[chuckChuck]

When 100 people a week start dying from fentanyl overdoses whats the solution. Always go after the source, not the symptom.

A drug dealer causes much more widespread harm to society than any other type of criminal. The cost to society is huge. Deaths, families torn apart, medical care.

Take a little ride down to Vancouver east side of SF. Truly is the land of zombies. People actually act and move like the corpses from night of living dead. You aren't going to cure hundreds of thousands of addicts, but you can take out one drug dealer. Lot less of them.

We need multiple approaches to reducing substance abuse. By all means prosecute the dealers. It wont stop drugs from finding the market and users though.

But siding with the Chinese on executing small time dealers is wrong. Canada doesn't support the death penalty anymore. Including the Conservatives.

Addiction is not a criminal issue it is a mental health issue. Putting addicts in jail does not solve the problem. Drugs still make it into jails. And most inmates are released back into the community un treated and still addicted or likely to go backwards.

Our biggest problems with substance abuse and poor health are still alcohol and tobacco. Both cause death and disease on scale much larger than banned drugs. Both are condoned by our society and a source of significant tax revenue. We have a double standard.

We need to prevent substance abuse and treat mental health issues. There is almost no decent addiction treatment programs in Saskatchewan and in many parts of Canada. We are neglecting our most vulnerable people.

Using the criminal justice system to treat addicts dosen't work and it is expensive. Our drug policies have been a big failure. It hasn't worked.

[chuckChuck]

When 100 people a week start dying from fentanyl overdoses whats the solution. Always go after the source, not the symptom.

A drug dealer causes much more widespread harm to society than any other type of criminal. The cost to society is huge. Deaths, families torn apart, medical care.

Take a little ride down to Vancouver east side of SF. Truly is the land of zombies. People actually act and move like the corpses from night of living dead. You aren't going to cure hundreds of thousands of addicts, but you can take out one drug dealer. Lot less of them.

Over prescription of opioids by the medical system has created a lot of addicts. We are reducing this problem but it is largely hidden and affects all types of people. This is not a problem confined to the street in Vancouver. This problem affects small towns.

When the oil industry was rolling the young workers had lots of money to spend on partying.

By all means lets spend the resources to stop the supply of illegal opioids coming into Canada. Its going to take huge resources but it needs to be done. China is a big source. That is why it is so ironic they put small time dealers to death but the big fish get off and the exports continue. They are likely part of the rich elite who have good connections to the leadership.

[sumdumguy]

[QUOTE=chuckChuck;400076]We need multiple approaches to reducing substance abuse. By all means prosecute the dealers. It wont stop drugs from finding the market and users though.

But siding with the Chinese on executing small time dealers is wrong.

I don’t agree this guy is smaal time as it isn’t as though he had ajoint in his pocket. It was 500 pounds and it wasn’t his first offence. And as for the laws in China for big drug criminals — not my business. We have enough “undesirables” here to worry about. Drugs have become dangerous goods putting everyone, especially our young at risk. Cleaning up the supply chain should be definitive.
JMHO

[farmaholic]

....so Canada legalizes Marijuana?

You can give all the excuses you want...

Users will get it from the black market anyway.

Tax and regulate it. Like it won't cost more than it provides. Taxes versus health and social costs.

Its benign.

Safer regulated product.


...personally, I didn't think it was a road Canada needed to go down.

But I believe this whole Canadian death penalty thing is a result of Canada doing the US's dirty work and arresting the HUAWEI executive.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But I believe this whole Canadian death penalty thing is a result of Canada doing the US's dirty work and arresting the HUAWEI executive.

And only necessary because the US is doing the dirty work of the rest of the world, and standing up to the criminal business practices of the Chinese after decades of inaction by anyone.

[farmaholic]

And only necessary because the US is doing the dirty work of the rest of the world, and standing up to the criminal business practices of the Chinese after decades of inaction by anyone.

Themselves included?

This whole thing is turning into a tit for tat battle.

Everyone is happy as long as the great USA reigns supreme?

[Integrity_Farmer]

Death sentence for drug dealing? Most of Canada's opioid crisis stems from from the over prescription of opioids. Should doctors and big pharma executives be put to death because they have caused hundreds of deaths?

The first court chose a lighter sentence. When governments and politicians in China or elsewhere arbitrarily interfere in the court system you no longer have the rule of law. This sentence was clearly designed to punish Canada for following the extradition agreement for the Huawei executive. Perhaps you support political interference in the courts but I sure as hell don't. Politicians have no business interfering in independent courts.

We don't need a Huawei 5G system in Canada. That is unless you want China taking control of your communication network over the next diplomatic row.

Speaking out about human rights issue in China and Saudia Arabia is the right approach. That is unless you think your business is more important than human rights? The Chinese need willing trade partners.

Pissing off customers is not good for business either way.

NO! Trudeau and Freeland are incompetent and they have taken a hostage for Trump. Trudeau is a Trump puppet.

This the arrest of Huawei executive Ms Wang has nothing to do with spying. She was arrested for breaking the US sanctions in Iran. Her husband is a Vancouver resident

The arrest and extradition have to be consistent with Canadian and international law. There are no Canadian sanctions on Iran. The US sanctions on Iran are a violation of Canadian and International (UN) law adopted by the United Nations.

So when Trudeau tells you "we are a country of law he is lying to you" Trudeau is in fact acting in violation of Canadian and International law

Please read this article from Christopher Black a Criminal lawyer https://www.journal-neo.org/2018/12/08/canada-takes-a-hostage-free-meng-wanzhou/

[katoe]

So why is she in canada. If shes wanted by usa why dont they come get her?

[furrowtickler]

NO! Trudeau and Freeland are incompetent and they have taken a hostage for Trump. Trudeau is a Trump puppet.

This the arrest of Huawei executive Ms Wang has nothing to do with spying. She was arrested for breaking the US sanctions in Iran. Her husband is a Vancouver resident

The arrest and extradition have to be consistent with Canadian and international law. There are no Canadian sanctions on Iran. The US sanctions on Iran are a violation of Canadian and International (UN) law adopted by the United Nations.

So when Trudeau tells you "we are a country of law he is lying to you" Trudeau is in fact acting in violation of Canadian and International law

Please read this article from Christopher Black a Criminal lawyer https://www.journal-neo.org/2018/12/08/canada-takes-a-hostage-free-meng-wanzhou/

IF vrs CC ....

[chuckChuck]

NO! Trudeau and Freeland are incompetent and they have taken a hostage for Trump. Trudeau is a Trump puppet.

This the arrest of Huawei executive Ms Wang has nothing to do with spying. She was arrested for breaking the US sanctions in Iran. Her husband is a Vancouver resident

The arrest and extradition have to be consistent with Canadian and international law. There are no Canadian sanctions on Iran. The US sanctions on Iran are a violation of Canadian and International (UN) law adopted by the United Nations.

So when Trudeau tells you "we are a country of law he is lying to you" Trudeau is in fact acting in violation of Canadian and International law

Please read this article from Christopher Black a Criminal lawyer https://www.journal-neo.org/2018/12/08/canada-takes-a-hostage-free-meng-wanzhou/

There may be some substance to what Black suggests. But it is a complicated mess to sort out.

The USA has demonstrated it is willing to ignore human rights and international laws when it suits them. The US system is deeply flawed and they are becoming much more inward looking and isolated under Trump. But Trump will soon be gone and hopefully they will elect a competent next President.

As much as the US is flawed and I disagree with many of their foreign and domestic policies, the US still has a better more open political system than China and is a more important ally for Canada.

Its up to the government of the day with their diplomatic channels and China experts to sort this out. We can sit back and second guess their decisions, but in the end few of us know the full story or appreciate the complicated nature of this issue.

Huawei has greatly benefited from Canadian research. Jim Balsillie former head of RIM says Canada is giving away our technological advances to Chinese companies with little benefit. Huawei's main advantage in providing 5G is they are cheaper than the competitors. But since China has a law that allows the Chinese government to force Huawei to act in the interest of the Chinese government, why should we take that risk? Maybe other systems are vulnerable too. But many countries are not willing to go along with Huawei.

Why doesn't the government help develop 5G network with a Canadian tech company? Or in partnership with European or US companies?