THE Wall

[SASKFARMER3]

Funny ag star since he won the Democrats have done everything to get a charge to stick. Well, they are running out of time. Maybe they should or focused so hard on Hillary.

Just saying you have no clue on USA politics.

[dmlfarmer]

Why would you need to tunnel if there is no wall? US economy doing fine without government. Why is there a need for government in order for an economy to function? With government shut down, good ol free enterprise takes over. Government workers will have to find real work. Don't want that to happen. Maybe they could help at the wall.

US economy doing fine??? Really. Then why did the White House itself this week state economy is falling by .13% every week the shutdown continues and if continues until end of March all growth will be lost and contraction will occur.

And if this is the number one problem in the states as some claim why hasn't "good ol free enterprise"already stepped up with solutions? Oh wait, they tried that and could only raise 20 million dollars over the past month from US citizens voluntarily to solve the problem. Is it that immigration/drugs is not actually the number one problem or that rational people realize the Wall will not stop the problem?

Drug smuggling and illegal immigration is not some socialist activity. It is actually free enterprise at its finest. There is a demand and without checks (on free enterprise) people are going to find a way to meet that demand wall or no wall.

ajl, do you agree with government insisting railway provide a minimum level of service in moving grain or should railways be free to to move what they want, from where, at what ever cost they want to charge as railways are free enterprise? Who should have greater authority and rights: a landowner, or a company or organization that claims it is in the public interest to use your land for another purpose? Careful if you say landowner because now you are siding with BC natives who do not want a pipeline to cross land which treaties gave them control over. And I assume by your arguments you have no problem with private firms demanding seed royalty and end use payments on grain produced from seed you purchase. Afterall, shouldn't free enterprise be able to demand such payments as they see fit.

Be careful what you ask for.

[chuckChuck]

Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's lawyer, said he's never denied that Trump's campaign colluded with Russia.

"I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or between people in the campaign," he said Wednesday on CNN.

The Donald, friend and ally of Russia, Saudia Arabia and Kim Jong Un. What a guy! Can't wait for the Mueller report.

[chuckChuck]

Funny ag star since he won the Democrats have done everything to get a charge to stick. Well, they are running out of time. Maybe they should or focused so hard on Hillary.

Just saying you have no clue on USA politics.

Get your head out of your Republican ass. Are you so delusional that you don't know that the list of charged and convicted Trump associates and insiders is really long including his lawyer Michael Cohen! hahahaha

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.html

[agstar77]

If he told Cohen to lie to Congress he is toast. We will see who knows American politics.

[farmaholic]

Drugs and walls....

Tunnels? Sonar can find them, or some kind of technology.
Speaking of tech; cameras, drones, satellites, heat sensing tech.... isn't there more modern ways of patrolling and securing a border than with an archaic wall? Is America going to build coastal walls too? A wall will only ever be a poor symbolic ineffective gesture.

People and walls....

Kinda the same. But people are harder to conceal than drugs and may be more effective.

Resourcefulness can be hard to defeat.

[dmlfarmer]

The tunnel argument is stupid. The wall is a symbol as much as it is a barrier. Its a symbol that the US is cracking down. If I was a drug dealer standing a few miles from it, I would certainly think twice.

If you have to stop a few hundred feet at the wall, then start digging a tunnel to come out the other side, that's sustained activity right at the thing which could be easily detected. And the easiest way to make sure that nobody uses tunnels is collapse a few of them with seismic charges.

As I said, the US has already sealed 234 tunnels with cement, yet they are still being built. Egypt and Israel have used explosives to destroy tunnels, filled them with poisonous gas, flooded them with sea water and now are pumping sewage into tunnels yet tunnels are still being dug and used and worse yet they have contaminated soil and ground water. In 2014 they started to create a buffer zone on both sides of the wall to limit tunnelling. The initial plan was a 500 m buffer zone. That zone has now been expanded to 5 km because of sophistication of tunnels. Tunnels found are up to 100 feet deep, have ventilation systems, tracks, and pumps.

Go to Vietnam and check out the tunnels the Viet Cong built and which were most effective against the US forces.

And if you don't think these tunnels are effective, then how will a wall stop someone like Barry Seal who was earning up to a million dollars a flight for bringing drugs in by air? And if he earned a million a flight, think of the value of drugs he was carrying on every flight he made.

Even the great wall of china did not stop individual nomads from crossing the wall, nor this if prevent the overthrow of the Ming dynasty when Northern invaders came through the wall.

The sea to sea wall is a waste of money! And where a wall is needed it is already in place in most areas.

[furrowtickler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l01_2tvtQcE

They all supported a better wall and higher security....... just never did anything about it .

I could care less , but where was the anger when Obama was pushing the same exact thing ?

[the big wheel]

Why is this even an issue?
THEN

BELIEVE ME FOLKS WERE GONNA BUILD A WALL SUCH A GREAT WALL LIKE NO ONE EVER BUILT A WALL. AND MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT......BELIEVE ME OH THEY WILL PAY!!!

Hahahaha

NOW

PLEASE PLEASE GIVE ME SOME MONEY EVEN A LITTLE SO I DONT LOOK STUPID AS I AM!!

[sawfly1]

First 5 billion will not build a wall.
Estimate is 20 /25 billion ,
Land wall, service roads .
Then after 10 years matinance costs start to add up. Couple billion year.

I can see building some sections
Then the border control could concentrate on other parts , that are not real suitable for a wall.

Trump should start with with the 2.5 billion offered.
Then worry about the rest later

[15444]

Still hoping he starts charging $100 a head for anyone crossing in from Mexico by land. And maybe apply that same charge to smug Canadians flying out of, or to, Mexico, over US airspace.

[dmlfarmer]

But people are harder to conceal than drugs

Farm I agree with most of what you say. I believe more border security is needed, and democrats have offered money in the past and are still offering billions for border security. Just not an ineffective wall.

Where I disagree with you is that people are harder to conceal. You do not even need to conceal people like you do drugs. Had the wall been in place before 9/11 it would have not stopped a single hijacker. 14 came in on tourist visas, 4 on business visas, and one on a student visa. One of those with a tourist visa actually enrolled in pilot training which is not allowed and in fact entered and left 7 times on tourist visas while training. That is how most illegal immigrants get in the US. The come in legally and simply do not leave. And a wall will not stop a single person coming in as a tourist or student.