THE Wall

[chuckChuck]

ajl, you must have read my mind. Exactly the same boat as you, 49, small farm and 3 girls under 7 and wonder what sort of future in Canada they will have when the bill comes due. A dually citizenship would be the best investment in their future as far as I am concerned.

Far as I can tell, a person needs to get a green card first for 5 yrs before you can become a US citizen or buy your self in with $500k investment.

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/pwcs-brave-report-forecasts-egypt-and-pakistan-will-surpass-canadas-economy-by-2050 Egypt and Pakistan will surpass Canada's economy by 2050

Go for it. The IRS will gladly tax you in Canada along with revenue Canada. I know several dual citizens and the IRS can be far reaching pain in the ass. Get yourself a good accountant and a good lawyer.

[chuckChuck]

The wall is a bad investment and won't solve the problems. The attitude that goes with it is the problem.

All mexicans are criminals and rapists according to Trump. Trump the ***** grabber sexual predator!

Yup when you don't want the media to focus on your scandals and incompetence, then blame the immigrant families and children and make an issue out immigration and security.

The truth is many industries will not be able to find employees. Immigrants and un-documented workers do a lot of jobs americans are to lazy to do like pick their fruits and vegetables and milk their cows and work in their slaughter houses. Yep they are all lazy and don't contribute.

And a bigger problem is many of them vote Democrat! hahaaha.

[ajl]

The truth is many industries will not be able to find employees. Immigrants and un-documented workers do a lot of jobs americans are to lazy to do like pick their fruits and vegetables and milk their cows and work in their slaughter houses. Yep they are all lazy and don't contribute.

Thanks for the repeat of dumocrap talking points. Reality is that actually you will find plenty of willing people to milk cows in both sides of the border. They want the chance to milk there own herds, not do it for someone else on the cheap. In Canuckistan, you find that these folks are shut out by you guessed it: supply management. Also there are legal immigrants in the US who don't welcome competition from illegals.

[dmlfarmer]

Instead of asking who is responsible for the shutdown, the question that should be asked is what in the hell is a wall going to do anyway. I find it hilarious that anyone thinks a wall will have any significant effect. There is already 600 miles of physical barrier, some of it double fencing, through the most populous areas of the border and yet that is also where the most smuggling drugs and illegals come though. It is contraband hidden in cars, trucks, and loads. It is people walking or driving through border inspection points and simply not leaving that accounts for most illegal immigration.

Walls may keep out an individual or family, but is nothing to a sophisticated smuggling operation of drugs or guns or people. Between 1990 and 2016 the US found and destroyed 224 tunnels UNDER existing border walls; some of them being used to bring MULTI-TON shipments of drugs across the border at a time. And how many tunnels have not been found?

Between 2007 and 2016, in just the 14 mile strip between Egypt and Gaza, the Egyptian army found and destroyed 1659 tunnels, some over a km long bringing in everything from food to fuel to people. It was estimated it would take 80 years to rebuild the 6000 structures destroyed by Israel bombing based on the amount of building material allowed in through checkpoints on the border. In fact, it only took 5 years because of the incredible amount of building material smuggled in through tunnes. In 2013, it was estimated 1 million litres of fuel per day alone was coming through tunnels into Gaza.

What a waste of money building a physical barrier to stop things and people that will still come under (tunnels), over (airplanes), around, (pacific and Atlantic coasts) or through official border crossing (smuggled, hidden, or under arriving under false pretenses).

Forget the wall. What is needed is satellite sensing, drones, and personnel; and not just at unfenced areas, but at crossing with existing barriers. And democrats are all for that. But Trump would not get his vanity "great wall of trump" so HE refuses to negotiate.

[dmlfarmer]

And one more point. Why is this such an emergency now that the government has to be shut down and government workers and all the contractors and citizens that depend on those employee spending for their own businesses when illegal immigration has actually dropped since 2017. And if it is such a huge concern of people why was the much hyped (even by some poster here) GoFundMe page for the wall topped out at only about $20 million after more than a month? And the number killed by illegal immigrants are a mere fraction of those killed by gun violence, yet illegals are a national emergency yet mass shootings aren't? And why is Trump willing to risk the economy over building a wall? Where is the emergency Trump supporters?

[Guest]

So by the same token drugs are Ok, they're only killing US drug addicts so why is there a need to build a wall to keep them out?

i know for ****ing sure you don't believe that statement , why post it ?

[ajl]

And one more point. Why is this such an emergency now that the government has to be shut down and government workers and all the contractors and citizens that depend on those employee spending for their own businesses when illegal immigration has actually dropped since 2017. And if it is such a huge concern of people why was the much hyped (even by some poster here) GoFundMe page for the wall topped out at only about $20 million after more than a month? And the number killed by illegal immigrants are a mere fraction of those killed by gun violence, yet illegals are a national emergency yet mass shootings aren't? And why is Trump willing to risk the economy over building a wall? Where is the emergency Trump supporters?

Why would you need to tunnel if there is no wall? US economy doing fine without government. Why is there a need for government in order for an economy to function? With government shut down, good ol free enterprise takes over. Government workers will have to find real work. Don't want that to happen. Maybe they could help at the wall.

[the big wheel]

Why would you need to tunnel if there is no wall? US economy doing fine without government. Why is there a need for government in order for an economy to function? With government shut down, good ol free enterprise takes over. Government workers will have to find real work. Don't want that to happen. Maybe they could help at the wall.

They tunnel because the border is already monitored whether there is a wall or not by patrols, technology, and barriers. So putting up more wall is only going to increase tunnels. Where there are more threats of people crossing yes put something up which is what everyone is saying but they are also saying even with more wall you need more camaras more patrols.
The majority of threat comes from people hidden in transport trucks, planes, autos with fake id boats etc.

Economy doing fine without gov workers? Well when things that are monitored for safety reasons for one thing don't get monitored and something happens likely more people will die than than those saved by a wall. Should note many are showing up for work unpaid. How many people would die from unsafe food if an outbreak occurred and no one monitored what was going on?

Both sides of this issue are acting immature and they can do it because it's not their money they are risking. The ones deciding not to end the shutdown are taking their pay checks to the bank while good hard working families are suffering. It's beyond stupid.

[SASKFARMER3]

It's the USA's biggest problem. People try all the time to cross over out in the middle of nowhere to become Americans or find work or steal goods or move drugs. Yes, a wall stops people.

The Democrats think they are smart and will push this to the end.

The sad part is Nancy and Chuck have no idea what they are doing. The average American is getting pissed off and going Republican. They thought they had the poor voters and Mexican, sort of like the liberals and NDP in Canada (and do nothing for them but token symbolic checks Carbon tax).

Funny most people of Mexican origin that came the legal way hate the border crashers and actually want it stopped.

Kind of like the South Africans and Europeans coming to Canada legally VS. Trudeau Sirians and border crashers.

Sooner or later one side loses and it's going to be the Democrats.

[jazz]

The tunnel argument is stupid. The wall is a symbol as much as it is a barrier. Its a symbol that the US is cracking down. If I was a drug dealer standing a few miles from it, I would certainly think twice.

If you have to stop a few hundred feet at the wall, then start digging a tunnel to come out the other side, that's sustained activity right at the thing which could be easily detected. And the easiest way to make sure that nobody uses tunnels is collapse a few of them with seismic charges.


The dems aren't that smart. They all have a history of voting for this barrier. Trump should just dig up those records. Obama and Hillary talked about it at their campaign stops. You have a group of obstructionists, another group wanting impeachment and another group of kids trying to impose socialist. Best gift trump could ever get.

[the big wheel]

It's the USA's biggest problem. People try all the time to cross over out in the middle of nowhere to become Americans or find work or steal goods or move drugs. Yes, a wall stops people.

The Democrats think they are smart and will push this to the end.

The sad part is Nancy and Chuck have no idea what they are doing. The average American is getting pissed off and going Republican. They thought they had the poor voters and Mexican, sort of like the liberals and NDP in Canada (and do nothing for them but token symbolic checks Carbon tax).

Funny most people of Mexican origin that came the legal way hate the border crashers and actually want it stopped.

Kind of like the South Africans and Europeans coming to Canada legally VS. Trudeau Sirians and border crashers.

Sooner or later one side loses and it's going to be the Democrats.

It's a problem yes the biggest? Not sure.
Maybe a leader that is operating under Russian influence due to the Russians holding his mortgages or and pictures of love and pee pee events?

Most of the problem occurs other ways such as fake id, or hidden in various vehicles the wall does nothing for that. Many are forgetting the retard wanted a cement wall what was it 30 ft high originally that was his promise. It was like some way he would be remembered like rhe china wall. Hahahaha they make ladders 30 ft high do they not? And the metal wall, they make cutting torches do they not? Hahahaha you still need the technology to monitor whether you have a wall or not.
You'd think grade 2 kids were discussing this???

[agstar77]

The only wall Trump will get is a prison wall.