Electricity again

[farming101]

Australia exports 57 MMT of LNG in 2017 and is running out of power at the same time.

[grassfarmer]

Oneoff, the prices quoted were for MWh not KWh so you're getting 1000 times more for your money than you figured.

[malleefarmer]

To clarify.
We had power come in from interstate.
Not enough so then emergency generators had to start up.
Some suggesting it should have been the other way around.

Depends on your viewpoint, we actually did not have statewide blackout because not enough power so it "worked" to a fair degree with a few balckouts. A transformer part apparently melted due to extreme heat and did a fair bit of the blackout area on transformer which then snowballed some how.

Up in the wind turbine areas not a breathe of wind during the peak period exasperated the problem perhaps.

Renewables are here to stay like it or not expensive or not just has to be enough traditional power on hand for extreme situations

Then the flip side well whos gonna bulid a power station which may or may not be used?

A real shemozzle electricity in australia.

[malleefarmer]

Australia exports 57 MMT of LNG in 2017 and is running out of power at the same time.

new stations get blocked by greens enviormentalists indigenous grpoups think most the gas goes to china and they use it for electricity............

[malleefarmer]

Speaking to a freind last night and hey his candian brother in law who i stayed with in 17 flew on wed to enjoy the heat as well hes from a place called rolling hills ab.

Anyway me mate has solar on his house.

His excess power he used to get credit of 26c on the infeed tariif i think 12 years ago. Now hes down to 8c

[oneoff]

I see you are right grass.

That is $58.00 per hour for a 5 hp aeration fan run for exactly one hour at those rates. Sure it could well be in Australian dollars and sure you probably have a lot more than just one motor for a total load. But we will have smart metering for all because of factors such as spot prices needed to be paid to get through those cases where emergency plans come up short.


So you'll still agree with the principle that this spot price is very pricey for any electrical user. It's all in the fine print isn't it?


Maybe that's why Sask Power is limiting new bi directional metering (net metering) to 10 year terms plus a further possible extention of another 10 year term (but at whatever Sask Power wishes the conditions to be)
Here's a link to the download page for the present rules

https://www.saskpower.com/our-power-future/powering-2030/generating-power-as-an-individual/using-the-power-you-make/net-metering-program

[Guest]

What's hilarious about the feedback is that it completely misunderstands the point of the post. An exceptionally hot spell = high demand leading to the high price paid to some generators. Although you'd all like to make it a post about how expensive renewables are and how the same thing will inevitably happen here and it's all Trudeaus fault the facts are rather different. With Australia being a laggard on renewable energy sources this is a post about how much the predominantly coal fired generation companies can charge when the need arises for their output.

It should be a familiar topic to Canadians who have been paying attention as the same thing was exposed in Alberta several years ago. The various generation companies bidding in their production at different rates from $zero for hydroelectric from BC (no ability to store it) to the extremely high rates offered by other more expensive forms of generation. Once the regulator accepted all the capacity bid ins needed from lowest price to highest price they turned around and paid all the generators the high price bid regardless of the fact companies were offering their output for zero $ on occasion. The chance to pass this free power onto Alberta citizens was forfeited to pad corporate pockets and AB consumers continue to pay for this fiasco every month in their power bills. You worry and speculate about what the crazy Liberals "might" do but you choose to ignore what the Conservative Government actually did! Blind ideology.

I disagree grass , the post is really about shutting down perfectly good coal fired generators ?
I don't think you buy this renewable horseshit ? why do you keep it up ?
renewables will come , when they're ready . we saw what happened with something that wasn't ready ?
should of listened to Harper . he wasn't much better , but this is ****ing unreal

[Guest]

I see you are right grass.

That is $58.00 per hour for a 5 hp aeration fan run for exactly one hour at those rates. Sure it could well be in Australian dollars and sure you probably have a lot more than just one motor for a total load. But we will have smart metering for all because of factors such as spot prices needed to be paid to get through those cases where emergency plans come up short.


So you'll still agree with the principle that this spot price is very pricey for any electrical user. It's all in the fine print isn't it?


Maybe that's why Sask Power is limiting new bi directional metering (net metering) to 10 year terms plus a further possible extention of another 10 year term (but at whatever Sask Power wishes the conditions to be)
Here's a link to the download page for the present rules

https://www.saskpower.com/our-power-future/powering-2030/generating-power-as-an-individual/using-the-power-you-make/net-metering-program

australian dollars are almost identical to CAD

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I disagree grass , the post is really about shutting down perfectly good coal fired generators ?
I don't think you buy this renewable horseshit ? why do you keep it up ?
renewables will come , when they're ready . we saw what happened with something that wasn't ready ?
should of listened to Harper . he wasn't much better , but this is ****ing unreal

I am of the opinion that Grassfarmer mostly just likes to stir the pot. He seems much too smart to really buy into much of what he typically opines. It does make for more interesting discussion, otherwise all we have is a bunch of farmers all agreeing with each other and a few left wing nuts with no clue or credibility.

[Integrity_Farmer]

Australia energy situation by juice media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sitPeRlTdNs