Thieves Raiding Farms

[helmsdale]

The situation is getting out of control.

There is no fear of the police.
There is no fear of the justice system.
drugs are rampant.
you are not legally permitted to protect your property.
you are barely legally allowed to protect your life, or those of your loved ones, and then only with proportionate force.

People are doing what they can...

More and more yards are getting hardened.
Security cameras are affordable and more and more getting installed, but by and large are ineffective if any sort of face covering is used, and even if plates can be pulled, the vehicle is most likely stolen.
Many yards near the highway are turning off their yard lights.
More and more people are not holding any bulk fuel in their yards.
Some are not even keeping sliptanks in their trucks parked at the edge of the field. Let alone a truck with tools that would sure be handy if something was to break down.

Neighbors had their house locked and dead bolted. Simply kicked it in. Might as well have kept it unlocked and at least saved the door jam. Computers, tablets, jewlery, easily kijiji'd items lifted. To top it all off, the neighbors wifes undergarments were all pilfered through and strewn everywhere.

Father in Law has a quonset, pole shed, and old abandoned, but at least until recently still weather tight old house on a yard along the highway. Has stored all sorts of things in the outbuildings as well as the house. He's getting tired of changing locks and rebuilding door jams. He is pissed about some of the things that have walked away from there over the last 2-3 years. He's cleaned most of it out, and stores junk he really doesnt have a purpose for anymore and figures at the very least it saves him mileage to the second hand store, or the bother of dealing with kijiji. Sure as shit, you put them in there, and they walk away. A shame to have 3 outbuildings that you pretty much cant put anything into.

Used to take it as a blessing that we lived in the middle of butt-fu**-nowhere. Now it seems its a liability just the same as living within an hours drive of the major cities.

Anyone got a solution?

[helmsdale]

Southern Alberta rancher Edouard (Eddie) Maurice, had a potential solution to the problem when asked by a parliamentary committee for suggestions following his being charged with multiple firearms offences and aggravated assault, and then being cleared of all charges, after police said he shot at two trespassers on his rural property near Okotoks.

Despite living only seven minutes from the local RCMP detachment, Maurice said it took officers two hours to reach his property.

“Officers came to my door with their assault rifles drawn to arrest me,” he said, adding Watson had also called police and officers were actually “responding to his 911 call.”

Now, months after the arrest and having the charges dropped, the Maurices are calling on the federal government to implement stronger personal defence and property defence laws.

“The fastest, cheapest way to change rural crime is not through policing or rehabilitation programs, but it is through allowing us to defend and protect ourselves and our property.”

Perhaps he's not too far off the mark...

[Taiga]

Ab5

"The perpetrators (likely) had no violent intentions, no firearms, weren't intending to steal or damage property, and had no criminal records. If police couldn't (or wouldn't) prosecute that crime, then how can they justifiably try to prosecute every rural victim of crime in an area any time a theft in progress is ended by vigilante justice, if none of the victims are willing to testify against each other?

All that would be required is to have as many locals as possible on scene armed with their appropriate calibre firearms, all waiting when the police arrive."


Why not take it a step further and have all the farmers at the scene with the guns all fire at once at the perpetrators. None of them would ever feel guilty of killing some young drunk teenager who made their first mistake in life because nobody would know who's bullet actually killed the perpetrator(s).

As for all farmers in the prairies thinking your's and Parsley's idea is good one, let's take a poll here on Agriville and see how many are willing to agree with your statements.

We both could be surprised in the results!

You are disgusting. Typical liberal.

[GDR]

I firmly believe you should have the right to defend your property and family. Having said that confronting these guys and firing warning shots was pretty risky. What if they pulled a weapon. That would have left the farmers with the choice of getting shot or shooting the bad guys and after they tracked them down and also fired first they would be at fault and would be self defense for bad guys. Not the same situation if it had happened in the farm yard.

[Oliver88]

You are disgusting. Typical liberal.

Agree, very disgusting comments by foragefarmer.

As others have said we need new self defence rights due to all of the criminal activity/robberies happening....not to mention the lack of a response from the RCMP.

[SASKFARMER3]

I just paid our insurance for the farm and wow it's expensive. I asked if the yards cameras gave me any kind of discount since they can identify the vehicle, the people in the yard and the plates.

They checked and No yard cameras for a discount but contents of homes and inside shop yes a small discount.

So you protect with motion sensors everything and the insurance industry doesn't care.

Trudeau and his hug a thug has destroyed the last help for Canadians. The NDP is no better.

Criminals have more rights in Canada than citizens of Canada.

Sad really.

Oh well, thank a Liberal they are the ones who are responsible.

[jimmy]

It’s so sad our country has evolved into this.

[jimmy]

I just paid our insurance for the farm and wow it's expensive. I asked if the yards cameras gave me any kind of discount since they can identify the vehicle, the people in the yard and the plates.

They checked and No yard cameras for a discount but contents of homes and inside shop yes a small discount.

So you protect with motion sensors everything and the insurance industry doesn't care.

Trudeau and his hug a thug has destroyed the last help for Canadians. The NDP is no better.

Criminals have more rights in Canada than citizens of Canada.

Sad really.

Oh well, thank a Liberal they are the ones who are responsible.

I vote conservative and used to be liberal a long long time ago but today I don’t think any of them are much better than the other. Come election time they all promise the world free everything and that’s what buys votes. This shit can’t continue or we are going to be like Venezuela or Cuba only difference it won’t be to rosy up here with 7 months of winter. It should be illegal to run a deficit bugjet if uneducated rural hicks can run a rm or county without a deficit our highly educated city cousins should also be able to.

[grassfarmer]

Oh well, thank a Liberal they are the ones who are responsible.

We know you're embarrassed to have been a Liberal voter but continually blaming them for everything doesn't detract from your embarrassment it merely reminds us of it on a daily basis.
Oh, and by the way crime rates are falling in Canada - overall crime rates are something like 30% down and property crimes @40% down since the early 2000s.
That's good news - maybe you should thank a Liberal instead!

[farming101]

We know you're embarrassed to have been a Liberal voter but continually blaming them for everything doesn't detract from your embarrassment it merely reminds us of it on a daily basis.
Oh, and by the way crime rates are falling in Canada - overall crime rates are something like 30% down and property crimes @40% down since the early 2000s.
That's good news - maybe you should thank a Liberal instead!

Crime rates have been rising in Canada since 2014. Hope it's not a trend

[rumrocks]

Grassy,you may be right about reported crime, however unreported rural crime numbers may be the same, decreasing or rising, we all know of people who just don't bother to report fuel theft and small acts of vandalism because of disappointing past results.

[furrowtickler]

We know you're embarrassed to have been a Liberal voter but continually blaming them for everything doesn't detract from your embarrassment it merely reminds us of it on a daily basis.
Oh, and by the way crime rates are falling in Canada - overall crime rates are something like 30% down and property crimes @40% down since the early 2000s.
That's good news - maybe you should thank a Liberal instead!

Well grass , I agree with several things with you ..... but politics and crime are completely out the fukin window !
I invite you to come stay here for 1 month.... you will leave a very fukin changed man ..... as will many other when face to face with reality ... chuck ! ..., on a daily basis with the b/S we put with.
I will bet the farm on it .
You will have a vastly different attitude.
It’s like the Hollywood celebrities living in ultra safe compounds.... they have no fukin clue .
Some of you have had the extremely fortunate situation of living in low crime areas , and thus think you are all high and mighty on crime .... come live around here ,your attitude will change extremely quickly regardless of your political views.

[grassfarmer]

Grassy,you may be right about reported crime, however unreported rural crime numbers may be the same, decreasing or rising,...

I think that's a fairly safe bet - you covered all the options!


Furrow, I'm sorry you live in an area where you are affected by rural crime. I don't doubt what you relate is true. All I said is that on a national basis crime figures are substantially lower than they were 20 years ago. I was challenging SF3s ridiculous claim that it's all because of the Liberals.

[furrowtickler]

Have any one of you.. (forage , chuck, grasss ) that doubt rural crime at all ... had a 12 year old daughter at home after school while you and your wife are are trying to earn a living working , teaching , nursing , hauling grain ... whatever , had that house door kicked in by a low life POS ?????
And then get that call ???
Let me know when that happens to you ..
Then we can have a meaningful conversation about property rights .
Until then , you have no fukin clue .
Criminals are criminals. And when they effect your family directly, it is a total different perspective.
I detest people who judge those of us that go through this yearly that have absolutely no fukin clue on the adversity it causes at home .
It covers almost every farm in the area now BTW you ignorant fuks .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I think that's a fairly safe bet - you covered all the options!


Furrow, I'm sorry you live in an area where you are affected by rural crime. I don't doubt what you relate is true. All I said is that on a national basis crime figures are substantially lower than they were 20 years ago. I was challenging SF3s ridiculous claim that it's all because of the Liberals.

Has a lot more to do with demographics and the economic situation.

As correctly noted here, rural crime is much more prevalent than urban, and getting worse since 2014:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-crime-severity-rural-property-crime-2017-data-1.4757930 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-crime-severity-rural-property-crime-2017-data-1.4757930

From the article:

Across Canada, rural areas tend to have higher crime rates (violations per 100,000 population) than urban areas, and Alberta is no exception.

Rural crime is particularly prevalent across the three Prairie provinces, according to the data.

"In 2017, relatively high rural crime rates were reported in Manitoba (42% higher than the province's urban crime rate), Alberta (38% higher) and Saskatchewan (36% higher)," Statistics Canada said in a release.

"Almost half of crime in Canada's rural areas occurred in these three provinces, which accounted for about a quarter of Canada's population served by rural police services."

Alberta was different from the other Prairie provinces in one way, however.

"In Manitoba and Saskatchewan, the high rates of rural crime were the results of higher rates of all types of crime (violent, property and other crime)," Statistics Canada said.

"In Alberta, however, the difference was largely due to high rates of property crime."