Class 1 Driver's Lic

[the big wheel]

wastin your breath bob , some don't get reality or common sense any more

You can add the words respect and decency to that sentence.

If the trees weren’t there those people likely are alive. That’s a fact stated by professionals that studied the incident.

It will happen again there at that exact intersection

Case you ve been watching your perverted ***** idol trump too much. Just because you say there are hundreds of intersections doesn’t mean that it’s true but maybe in your little mind it is.

I found an online map of that area it’s a bit older but is it not true that there is one main road north running east west to Nipawin then this one then another east west to tisdale? So very few crossroads of highway in that area.
At that particular intersection there is traffic to cargill as well as something across the road west not sure what that is. Also traffic of course supplying Nipawin and tisdale from the east carrot river and those smaller towns. The peat moss and lumber mill. Lots of traffic few crossroads
No wonder there has been many accidents there many obviously not resulted in death but some others have as there are older crosses there aren’t there? Those trees have been argued about in the past haven’t they? So what’s up is it your relatives or friends live there with those trees? On council? Or worried highways would I be responsible which in my mind they might not be legally liable but morally disgraced.

So we re not taking about hundreds of roads where trees are an issue are we?

Off the grid roads those out of area semis aren’t supposed to be on them are they?

There will be another accident there hopefully if it happens it won’t be to anyone that thinks the trees should be gone but let it be if it is someone’s family that wants to so ignorantly not see part of the problem is the trees.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The issue of trees blocking an intersection is a big one for us. To get to our road from the west, which is the most common direction we travel, requires turning left across oncoming traffic on a curve completely blind due to trees. Neighbor wrote off his brand new company truck doing so, last winter I had to abort my attempted turn in front of a vac truck on glare ice, just missed him, but ended up facing the wrong way in the grader bank. Many many more close calls. I ensure the county is aware, and remind them regularly, and even propose a cheap solution. But nothing gets done.

Negotiating this corner with farm machinery or big trucks requires a spotter to block traffic.

[Sodbuster]

I thought this particular intersection also had a flashing red light, if It did how could any driver possibly miss that.

[jimmy]

So what are we going to do when this happens again? And it will, we could cut down ever tree move every obstacle and it will still happen. It’s plain and simple if you blow through a stop sign or red light shit is going to happen. This punishing everyone for a mistake done by one idiot isn’t the answer. I thought this is why we have laws and penalties for breaking them. Instead we are going down the road of one guy screws up and everybody pays the penalty.

[TOM4CWB]

So what are we going to do when this happens again? And it will, we could cut down ever tree move every obstacle and it will still happen. It’s plain and simple if you blow through a stop sign or red light shit is going to happen. This punishing everyone for a mistake done by one idiot isn’t the answer. I thought this is why we have laws and penalties for breaking them. Instead we are going down the road of one guy screws up and everybody pays the penalty.

How much time... would be lost... if the through traffic slows down to 50km/hr... or at restricted sight intersections... A 4 WAY STOP. There were 101 ways these deaths could have been prevented.



Obeying traffic signs... properly designed intersections... 4 lane highways... with major cross traffic... have speed reductions and hung orange/Red overhead lights in the middle of the intersections on 4 lane divided highways in most places in SK... with speed reductions NOW. Why did't this standard apply HERE... at this death trap intersection?. NO COMMON SENSE caused this accident. Regulations... do not stop people from breaking laws... or using brain/being alert/ applying Common Sense...
If other people have been killed at this intersection BEFORE... IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 4 way complete stop intersection.

SK Engineers... who approved this intersection as ... SAFE... should go to jail as well!!!

To make the drivers the scape goats... STINKS.

A good big legal action.. for $100,000,000.00 against the engineers who oversee these area intersections... would sure as a PUBLIC shooting... fix these death trap intersections...for good... so NO MORE people DIE!!!

NOT 125 hrs of studying... STOP signs?.... @ $ 150.00/hr...!!!!
HOW STUPID IS THIS...???!!!!

A good 'Class 1 vehicle' simulator testing unit... like used for aircraft testing/training... [Westcan has/uses them] would have been a much better/smarter use of funds... to make better drivers and safety a priority on our roads... to actually make them safer.
AS IT IS... now... nothing is much safer... more people will die... the carnage and death on our roads will not decrease significantly.

What a tribute to all who so far... died in vain... as far as a liberal application of common sense is concerned!

THIS situation...SHOULD BOTHER... E V E R Y O N E. My Spirit is grieved.

[binthere]

So two stop signs and one was obeyed across the intersection from one which was not obeyed by a (distracted driver). Blame the trees blame engineers blah blah blah. Typical progressive liberal logic. Blame everyone and everthing. What is to be done on all highway crossings single or twin where there are no visibility hinderences and people are killed by a driver running a stop sign. Happens all the time on 16 west side of Saskatoon and west of langham as well as many other unobstructed intersections.

[the big wheel]

Bin there if you’ve done everything possible to limit the danger and things still happen then maybe that’s all you can do but that’s not the case here

Be the bus driver if the bronco bus.
Your driving north on the highway 100 Km an hour. Your seeing farmland the odd farmyard.
Then you come up on seeing the cargil terminal to the right up ahead you keep going and you see there is an Intersection then you notice train tracks 200 feet or so north of the intersection your eyes scan all those possibilities of danger but to the right you can’t see anything but trees. There is also cars approaching you from the north going south to you. Which would naturally be your main focus. As you are just prior to the intersection you can see the train tracks are clear the cars approaching are in control there is no one coming to the intersection from the left but at what was it a few seconds a loaded semi of peat moss is headed at the intersection at nearly 60 miles an hour. You only have 5 seconds or so to react that if you were paying attention to something blind siding you from the right.

16 people died the others permanently injured physically or emotionally for life!!!!!

TREES!!!!!

Pathetic anyone is making this about liberal blaming. This is about facts.

[binthere]

Not liberal blaming at all. Liberal are blaming everything but the root cause.

[the big wheel]

Not liberal blaming at all. Liberal are blaming everything but the root cause.

Your suggesting I m only focused on the trees.
I m going beyond the fact the driver is legally responsible for that accident that’s all proven and accepted by everyone.
We re talking about steps to make this safer, anywhere anytime we can make a road safer we ought to be.

You and others are correct can’t stop stupid so why are we being so stupid not to make that intersection safer?

Get over the petty politics.

[Guest]

So two stop signs and one was obeyed across the intersection from one which was not obeyed by a (distracted driver). Blame the trees blame engineers blah blah blah. Typical progressive liberal logic. Blame everyone and everthing. What is to be done on all highway crossings single or twin where there are no visibility hinderences and people are killed by a driver running a stop sign. Happens all the time on 16 west side of Saskatoon and west of langham as well as many other unobstructed intersections.

that is the liberal way , lol
common sense is not that common anymore
anyways wasting your time arguing with an NDP/liberal , you would get farther arguing with a doorknob
a good point was made by someone (bucket ?) what the *** is all this shit being hauled on hi way for?
he will come on here soon to inform me that i have a "small" mind

[GDR]

For other Albertans, I did talk to our MLA and he said they have had discussions in the ucp about the class 1 changes and are aware of the implications for farmers. They have looked at the stats on farm plated vehicles and sounds like they are supportive of an exemption for farm vehicles. We will see what happens after the election.

[the big wheel]

And how many accidents have been avoided because of the fact people can see? I’ve avoided many dumb drivers on that road probably the areas your talking about because I can see what’s coming. What would the accident rate be there if we planted some trees there? Would it be lower? hahaha or you just don’t give a shit it’s all about who’s in the wrong And right to you.
As many have said can’t fix stupid that’s for sure!!!!lol

Your also comparing city volume traffic to a rural volume traffic area also there is going to be more accidents there. But compare an intersection that has trees obstructing view in all sides to one not with the same volume of traffic can you please tell us genuis which one will have more deadly accidents?

Speaking of 16 On at least 2 of the intersections to 16 there is a grade problem. The entering roads are lower in grade than the highway. People stop it’s icy they check the view it’s clear and half way through they spin out sitting in the middle of the highway. Two of the accidents this past year were caused by that. If your too stupid to have a level grade at an intersection make sure it’s sanded 24/7.

[TOM4CWB]

For other Albertans, I did talk to our MLA and he said they have had discussions in the ucp about the class 1 changes and are aware of the implications for farmers. They have looked at the stats on farm plated vehicles and sounds like they are supportive of an exemption for farm vehicles. We will see what happens after the election.

Please remember;
a) SK farmers asked for and got... an exemption from the new training requirements;
b) Ab farmers asked for and were DENIED... an exemption from the new driver Class 1 requirements;
c) the problem intersection was/is in SK and NOT AB;
d) there is an election coming up in AB, the NDP apparently do not trust AB farmers... both how they drive... and how they vote... they must be punished... as there is apparently no hope that 'fair' application of the solution to this problem [Trucks hitting Busses]... other than to punish Alberta Farmers.

Many AB Farmers have driven Class 1 Vehicles... without Class 1 Licenses... without accidents... as farm more dangerous farm equipment... is safely transported... WITH NO FORMAL TRAINING... other than a generous application of Common Sense.

As I stated... this is the best example currently available... of why AB NDP are not worthy to continue to rule Alberta.
Cheers

[TOM4CWB]

So two stop signs and one was obeyed across the intersection from one which was not obeyed by a (distracted driver). Blame the trees blame engineers blah blah blah. Typical progressive liberal logic. Blame everyone and everthing. What is to be done on all highway crossings single or twin where there are no visibility hinderences and people are killed by a driver running a stop sign. Happens all the time on 16 west side of Saskatoon and west of langham as well as many other unobstructed intersections.

Binthere,
How much are lives worth?
All direction stop intersections quadruple the safety for occupants of prevention of death in vehicles....

At what cost? 1 minute... to assure your loved ones are safe... what traffic engineer can't figure this out?

The Truck Hockey Bus disaster... would not have happened... virtually assured by a simple low cost solution. Too much Common Sense for you?
Cheers!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Binthere,
How much are lives worth?
All direction stop intersections quadruple the safety for occupants of prevention of death in vehicles....

At what cost? 1 minute... to assure your loved ones are safe... what traffic engineer can't figure this out?

Well, if you want to look at it mathematically, if it costs 1 additional minute for every vehicle to stop by making them all 4 way stops ( there is nothing stopping you from stopping at every intersection already, if you want). How many intersections in Sask and how many miles driven?

To make a very rough approximation. 1 million residents, average km driven 20,000 per year. Additional 4 way intersection every 8 km (half were stop signs already, just in the opposite direction only(probably way more than that, but lets keep main highways free flowing). 1 additional minute per added 4 way stop. (Can you get your semi from 100km to 0 and back and only lose 1 minute?)

That is an additional 2500 stops per year, losing 2500 minutes from each persons life that year, or 1.736 days per year spent stopping at 4 way stops. That adds up to 4756 person years spent stopping at new 4 ways stops. At an average life span that works out to about 63 lifetimes wasted per year in Saskatchewan, Can the 4 ways save more lives than that?

Also time spent modifying every intersection, additional sanding in winter, washboards created from stopping, fuel burnt accelerating, brakes replaced, wear and tear on vehicles.

I have a much better idea, lets hurry up and get self driving cars on the road, or at least integrate our existing driven cars into a system where they can all know where every other car is and take evasive maneuvres on our behalf when something goes wrong that we can't yet see.