Highway safety... and Class 1 Vehicles

[TOM4CWB]

If that's the criteria for discussion Tom, we'll be here all day.

Blackpowder,

There have been hundreds of AB Farmers... who do not have Class 1 Licenses... for decades... that have driven Class 1 vehicles safely [and farm equipment far more dangerous] without blowing stop signes... or hitting busses full of people.

This is truly a nasty move by the NDP.

[the big wheel]

Blackpowder,

There have been hundreds of AB Farmers... who do not have Class 1 Licenses... for decades... that have driven Class 1 vehicles safely [and farm equipment far more dangerous] without blowing stop signes... or hitting busses full of people.

This is truly a nasty move by the NDP.

Can you currently drive a class one vehicle without a class one license in Alberta if your a farmer?

[Quadtrack]

Is the SK ‘exemption’ from the training not a ‘F’ endorsement with restrictions that are still being worked out?
My view is there should be no farmer special rules.
Some guys are driving rolling junk heaps just to save money hauling their own grain. I’m sorry but being cheap doesn’t give you the right to endanger others on the road. Just spend some time in line at ADM in Lloyd to get a sample set of what some farmers both Sk and Ab limp canola into town with.
And why should hauling on a few miles from home base make any difference as to how much damage a loaded semi can do if not operated properly. There are lots of good farmer drivers that do very well, but there are a few-one of our neighbors-who are an absolute menace. Training won’t be a cure all for sure, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Equipment safeties is another that should be taken.
This whole topic is one where farms hold no logical rationale for defending an exemption to all the industry rules. And one where we should not be asking for special treatment-it will come back to haunt us some day.

[farmaholic]

I was going to "like" Quad's post a bunch of times, but somehow Admin won't let me abuse the like button in a single post more than once. I even tried logging out and back in...nope, no luck!

[TOM4CWB]

Can you currently drive a class one vehicle without a class one license in Alberta if your a farmer?

No

Just like it is illegal to plant Brown Bag PBR varieties of wheat./Bly/oats/flax/canola/etc.. it is done all the time... a part of our “culture and heritage”.. ‘no harm no foul’ you folks say!

[the big wheel]

[QUOTE=Quadtrack;402187]Is the SK ‘exemption’ from the training not a ‘F’ endorsement with restrictions that are still being worked out?
My view is there should be no farmer special rules.
Some guys are driving rolling junk heaps just to save money hauling their own grain. I’m sorry but being cheap doesn’t give you the right to endanger others on the road. Just spend some time in line at ADM in Lloyd to get a sample set of what some farmers both Sk and Ab limp canola into town with.
And why should hauling on a few miles from home base make any difference as to how much damage a loaded semi can do if not operated properly. There are lots of good farmer drivers that do very well, but there are a few-one of our neighbors-who are an absolute menace. Training won’t be a cure all for sure, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Equipment safeties is another that should be taken.
This whole topic is one where farms hold no logical rationale for defending an exemption to all the industry rules. And one where we should not be asking for special treatment-it will come back to haunt us some day.[/QUOTE

The test is the problem. The test should determine if your ready to handle all situations presented to you on the road as well as demonstrate knowing what the vehicles limitations are. Lengthening the number of hours trained will help with drivers that haven’t seen a steering wheel it likely won’t with someone that has had considerable equipment experience. The problem is how do you determine where someone’s skill is at for example you take a test in the summer and that’s different ball game than driving a rig in the winter. Really how it should work is the trainers should be able to tell where you are at they may think you need 200 hours and some may need 10.

The sod truck driver shouldn’t of been on the road because he never even knew how to fill out the log book. Hit the ditch in carrot river etc etc.
So how did he get a licence in the first place? Is anyone asking that question? Was he part of that corrupt situation in Calgary where there was no training at all and licenses were handed out?

As far as the accident the only scenarios of why he blew the stop sign were that he was falling asleep, or he intentionally didn’t give a shit and wanted to get home fast. Which is what I personally think. If he was falling asleep then he likely doctored the log books intentionally and didn’t even know how to do that. Did he stay over night in carrot river the night before or did he drive all the way from Calgary and load to go back I never heard. Those 2 scenarios don’t get fixed by more training.
He’s really getting off a lot easier than what he deserves.

I think too many are equating what happened here as the only reason more hours are being asked for and that is not the sole reason. The accident woke everyone up to speak up about the many other drivers they know that shouldn’tbe driving and got a license too easily. .
I ve seen plenty of them on the road.

[wd9]

Can you currently drive a class one vehicle without a class one license in Alberta if your a farmer?

You can drive, but if you do you best prepare for being homeless. You will lose everything.

[the big wheel]

You can drive, but if you do you best prepare for being homeless. You will lose everything.

Hahaha ya that’s what I thought it was just the way I mis interpreted toms wording thought I’d ask to clarify.

[tmyrfield]

No

Just like it is illegal to plant Brown Bag PBR varieties of wheat./Bly/oats/flax/canola/etc.. it is done all the time... a part of our “culture and heritage”.. ‘no harm no foul’ you folks say!

well anyone can drive anything they like, till something bad happens thats when the SHTF. SGI will pay out the damages and then assess the fault, if you are unlicensed they will come after you for costs. you will lose, you may lose everything you have.

for those advocating for "stop sign at every intersection because it'll pay if it even saves one life", what will we do when there is a fatality at that intersection, believe me there will be one. more and more regulations and signage will just eventually lead to more and more people ignoring them. then you may as well not have anything and you will be back to traffic commonly found in 3rd world countries.

Screaming for the government to do more might feel good but in the end it is personal responsibility that will make the biggest difference and no government can make that happen.

[the big wheel]

well anyone can drive anything they like, till something bad happens thats when the SHTF. SGI will pay out the damages and then assess the fault, if you are unlicensed they will come after you for costs. you will lose, you may lose everything you have.

for those advocating for "stop sign at every intersection because it'll pay if it even saves one life", what will we do when there is a fatality at that intersection, believe me there will be one. more and more regulations and signage will just eventually lead to more and more people ignoring them. then you may as well not have anything and you will be back to traffic commonly found in 3rd world countries.

Screaming for the government to do more might feel good but in the end it is personal responsibility that will make the biggest difference and no government can make that happen.

Stopping every cross is not practical. Possibly lowering the speed limit at higher risk areas would help. And getting rid of trees or anything obstructing view of course but anyone with half a brain already knows that.