Highway safety... and Class 1 Vehicles

[TOM4CWB]

Stopping every cross is not practical. Possibly lowering the speed limit at higher risk areas would help. And getting rid of trees or anything obstructing view of course but anyone with half a brain already knows that.

Who would choose what intersections get 4 way stops or overpasses...and when this is not appropriate?

Just like aircraft modifications happen when the loss of life and property exceeds a set number...
on death trap intersections...that needs to be set by the local community if highway engineers refuse to fix the problem[RE multiple fatality multiple accident intersections]. The responsible traffic engineers do traffic assessments... apply appropriate solutions... to stop the death and carnage... just like what happens when an aircraft crashes and kills many people.

In a responsible local community ... that cares... this would be a rational common sense solution to the deadly hazards killing its people.
EG.
Like intersection problems that kill multiple people deserve preventative solutions. If traffic flow is high enough... an overpass intersection is installed.

The responsible highways engineers are 100% aware of the appropriate changes needed... to have safe intersections... to stop the death and carnage.
This is not rocket science... we should be doing more to prevent traffic deaths.
Cheers

[binthere]

A government big enough to give you everything you want and solve all of our problems is big enough to take everything we have and regulate us to financial ruin.

[TOM4CWB]

Who would choose what intersections get 4 way stops or overpasses...and when this is not appropriate?

Just like aircraft modifications happen when the loss of life and property exceeds a set number...
on death trap intersections...that needs to be set by the local community if highway engineers refuse to fix the problem[RE multiple fatality multiple accident intersections]. The responsible traffic engineers do traffic assessments... apply appropriate solutions... to stop the death and carnage... just like what happens when an aircraft crashes and kills many people.

In a responsible local community ... that cares... this would be a rational common sense solution to the deadly hazards killing its people.
EG.
Like intersection problems that kill multiple people deserve preventative solutions. If traffic flow is high enough... an overpass intersection is installed.

The responsible highways engineers are 100% aware of the appropriate changes needed... to have safe intersections... to stop the death and carnage.
This is not rocket science... we should be doing more to prevent traffic deaths.
Cheers

We drivers; have... [or should have] stopped thousands of times while driving a vehicle... [doesn't matter what size or shape other than the clear time needed to enter the intersection safely] before safely joining traffic flow on the road being crossed or entered. This skill can easily be tested for by any astute driver examiner... without 125 hours of Class 1 vehicle training. Farm equipment needs these skills even more... and no license or training is required legally other than being over 14 years old in Alberta. Anyone who can drive a simple tractor and 45' land roller... across or down a primary road safely... can also safely understand the skills needed to do the same activity with a truck and trailer used on a farm.

I can remember in 1978 after getting my Class 1... first try... going to NIC [Northern Industrial Carriers] and being told by the owner of NIC that any genuine farm boy... was more than welcome... [with fresh Class 1 one week old] to join his fleet with my truck to haul his freight.

Anyone should be able to challenge a Class 1 license... if experience and skill are sufficient... without spending over $10,000.00... especially when they have more experience and training... than the driver training school instructor getting the $100+/hr for instruction time.

As an owner of many of these Class 1 vehicles...[and even more importantly complex farm equipment transportation on public roads] I am the one responsible to know... when and who should be allowed to do these jobs... and who has the skills needed to safely do this job.

[TOM4CWB]

A government big enough to give you everything you want and solve all of our problems is big enough to take everything we have and regulate us to financial ruin.

I guess... if safe passage on our roads... is not needed... and you are willing to risk our lives for the need of good governance and safer roads... common sense tells me... good stewardship and public policy ... for our public roads... is a basic need for our communities... the financial ruin... part can be debated for ever... while good people continue die in vain.

Safe roads are a need... not a want.

[furrowtickler]

I guess... if safe passage on our roads... is not needed... and you are willing to risk our lives for the need of good governance and safer roads... common sense tells me... good stewardship and public policy ... for our public roads... is a basic need for our communities... the financial ruin... part can be debated for ever... while good people continue die in vain.

Safe roads are a need... not a want.

So are safe drivers .

[TOM4CWB]

Tom there should be no headons on four lane highways but in my area there has been two in the last few years causing four deaths. You can’t fix stupid.

Jimmy;
Are all accidents preventable?

Perhaps if we can use hindsight!

'Stupid' accidents happen too often with aircraft too!

Watch 'Mayday' about these crazy situations!

I have seen faulty investigations with conclusions that defy physics ... one recommendation and analysis on tie down requirements of heavy equipment in a cargo aircraft... defied gravity and common sense.

Exposure of accident causes... and engineering deficiencies... should be mandatory... like WCB accident reports should be required reading for everyone who needs a safe work place.

We are smart if we learn from accidents... and critically analyze the solutions ... not just say it was stupid and is unpreventable going forward.

[sumdumguy]

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And why should hauling on a few miles from home base make any difference as to how much damage a loaded semi can do if not operated properly???

We have many licensed vehicles that never leave the farm yard and many that don’t go further than twenty miles from field to field and to the elevator. I guarantee the risk of them colliding with another vehicle is almost nil compared to a truck putting on 20,000-50,000 miles a year, highway and city driving. For one, there isn’t another vehicle to collide with around here. I know I am going to get an argument for arguments sake but the risk is minimal and ...

“Yes, I believe farmers should have an exemption for this very reason”.

[TOM4CWB]

So are safe drivers .

How were farmer drivers a part of the truck hockey bus disaster? This was not a farm truck!

What is the safety record of farm equipment drivers vs highway trucking operations? Very Rare farm equipment accidents involving other vehicles...on public roads...indeed!

[foragefarmer]

Tom4$$$$4Tom

" Very Rare farm equipment accidents involving other vehicles...on public roads...indeed! "

Do a little googling before pulling such a statement out of your ass and posting it.

"National statistics recently complied by the Canadian Agricultural Safety Association show collisions between motor vehicles and farm equipment killed more than 150 people since the early 1990s. This study only tracked fatalities. The number of accidents is much higher."

Also remember the majority of heavy farm equipment is only moving five month of a year compared to other industries.

God Bless you!

[binthere]

I guess... if safe passage on our roads... is not needed... and you are willing to risk our lives for the need of good governance and safer roads... common sense tells me... good stewardship and public policy ... for our public roads... is a basic need for our communities... the financial ruin... part can be debated for ever... while good people continue die in vain.

Safe roads are a need... not a want.

Have you ever driven a motor cycle other than a dirt bike on a desolate country road? If not buy a cruiser hop on put on half a million kms and you will soon learn the skill of D.Y.O.D.D. if not you will soon realise no sign street light over pass on or off ramps or solid double yellow lines are full proof.