3.7B$ to lease 4400 oil cars for how long? AND... How is this not an export subsidy?

[helmsdale]

Why not just build a couple of pipelines. (Sarcasm)

Can you imagine the social license the AB gov will receive when a picture like that has engines and railcars plastered with provincial decals hits the news?

[blackpowder]

Honestly, none of this makes any sense what so ever. Truly an alternate topsy turvy reality. Obviously prevalent enough in society to have all levels of govt involved. Time to beam up.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If you talk to those higher up in the industry, they agree that if additional rail cars was the solution, they would have already done it themselves. It is not a solution, and they didn't do it, and that is really all we need to know. Oil by rail is not economic, it is at best a stop gap measure.

If it goes according to AB Goverments plan, it wouldn't be a subsidy, since they intend to make a profit. Ie. buy the oil at Alberta discounted prices, sell it on the other end at a profitable price. If it were that simple, it would have been done already.

[SASKFARMER3]

But funding seed research is bad? Hm!

[WiltonRanch]

The cars can be a storage play as much as they can be for transport. 7000 cars is 5 million barrels that can sit on a siding for a few yrs until we get rid of the rot in this country. Its probably just a place to park some of the oil until some pipeline capacity comes on. They might deliver some of it by rail though. They don't want to have to shut in production when there is no need to do so.

The enbridge line 3 crosses my land but they say they cant be in service for another yr because the US leg is held up so they are going to fill it up with oil and let it sit in the pipeline until then.

I am not an advocate for oil by rail unless necessary but we have to do something to show we are fighting back. Protests wont shut down the rail lines.

Unless I’m wrong I don’t think you can let oil sit that long. It has a shelf life. You can store it above ground only so long before it gassed off and is essentially dead and no better than asphalt. At least that is how the oil around here is. Lots of guys sat on their oil as long as possible to wait for better prices if they could.

[fjlip]

Greens, NDP wackos, Enviro Nazis, certain lazy Native groups have all the answers...ALL FOSSIL FUELS ILLEGAL! Land is covered with windmills and solar panels. Electric only car/trucks. No livestock, no grains, just lush green grass, pristine waters and trees...happy birds chirping...people?... well if any want to live in paradise, like about the year 1900...they are taking names

[Oliver88]

If you talk to those higher up in the industry, they agree that if additional rail cars was the solution, they would have already done it themselves. It is not a solution, and they didn't do it, and that is really all we need to know. Oil by rail is not economic, it is at best a stop gap measure.

If it goes according to AB Goverments plan, it wouldn't be a subsidy, since they intend to make a profit. Ie. buy the oil at Alberta discounted prices, sell it on the other end at a profitable price. If it were that simple, it would have been done already.

You nailed it, if it was economic it would have already been done.
-Other negative consequences of leasing oil cars will be it takes the pressure off of the Trudeau loons to get out of the way of pipeline construction.
-It will also have a negative effect on grain movement.

Unfortunately it might take a massive spill and large death toll in downtown Liberal Montreal before the Liberals will try to help get another pipeline built.

[checking]

It's back to hockey pucks, and $5500.00 paint refurbished scrap value CWB cars to haul Alberta crude.

[Horse]

Greens, NDP wackos, Enviro Nazis, certain lazy Native groups have all the answers...ALL FOSSIL FUELS ILLEGAL! Land is covered with windmills and solar panels. Electric only car/trucks. No livestock, no grains, just lush green grass, pristine waters and trees...happy birds chirping...people?... well if any want to live in paradise, like about the year 1900...they are taking names

I dont know about electric cars and all but as for living with lush green grass pristine waters birds and so on I do believe up until the europeans arived they had all that,and no taxes no lisnces to hunt,fish,set up there teepee where ever they wanted, now you need 2 people working to survive and pay for those that want to live in luxuary. And they had some very impressive cultures and thrived,I think quite nicely for the era they were in.
As for economics of moving oil why would the oil cos change , they were doing very well as it is, its only those working for the cos that are hurting ,and sooner or later they have to run out of places to drill ,so I think those people had better start to look for new cariers.

[jazz]

North Dakota ships a lot on rail successfully. maybe not a problem with the cost of service but more the cost of product which would say there needs to be a paradigm shift in cost of production in the sands, lower costs, refining, something else.