Cypress Hills -Grass lands

[TOM4CWB]

I get the experienced part but JT was put in place to be a poster boy to front the Liberals corruption machine in the back ground , as proven now .
Megz throwing her hat in is much different. She is much more of a farmer than some of the imposters on this site .... that’s for sure lol .
Regardless, if she does go all in , I wish her the best .

Thankyou Furrowtickler for encouraging a hard working person... to build a better more effective Canada...

BTW BUCKET... the principal on which Megz stands on Seed royalties, and the hope that we can collectively create better more innovative seed varieties... is sound, rational, responsible, common sense, frugal policy that respects personal responsibility and sacrifice.

Here is why... Bucket... you and SF3 are blinded by misguided misunderstanding:

There are no grain farmer... who pay MORE SEED 'TAX' if that is what you must call the SEED 'ROYALTIES'...
THAN;

SEED GROWERS.

HERE IS WHY... IF YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR ARROGANT BLINDERS OFF FOR ONE SECOND;

SEED GROWERS MUST SUBMIT ALL THE ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' PAYABLE ON THE PEDIGREED SEED WE GROW... MANY TIMES PAYING:

100% more ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' on our own commercial production.... because we are required to make up the shortfall on ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' that is caused by farmers who cheat and refuse to pay their own way to use this intellectual property [the seed variety] that the ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' exists to be sent back to plant breeders who created [the seed variety] in the first place.

PLEASE REMEMBER... SEED GROWERS ARE NOT GIVEN ONE CENT, OR ALLOWED TO KEEP ONE CENT OF THE [the seed variety] ROYALTY 'SEED TAX'.

SEED GROWERS ARE RESPONSIBLE TO SUBMIT 100% OF [the seed variety] ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' due on the planting seed... irrespective of whether or not there was enough margin in the planting seed sale to the commercial grain farmer... this planting seed was provided to.

SEED GROWERS get NONE OF the [seed variety] ROYALTY 'SEED TAX but must make up the difference for the 'brown bag' cheaters who insist on stealing the;

intellectual property [a part of the seed variety] that the ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' that is being given... that exists to be sent back to plant breeders who created [the seed variety] in the first place.

Therefore

Megz stand on Seed royalties... is solid rational thinking.

How exactly the seed variety payment due... that the ROYALTY 'SEED TAX' is fairly collected... is the issue that is truly the point of contention.

[jazz]

Thankyou Furrowtickler for encouraging a hard working person... to build a better more effective Canada..

Tom do you get the news where you are. You heard about china torpedoing our canola market? Maybe you haven't heard about the nitrogen price increases as well or the carbon tax applied to everything now.

And you are going defend a seed tax? cmon man. This industry will be dead by a thousand cuts if this continues.

[bucket]

thankyou furrowtickler for encouraging a hard working person... To build a better more effective canada...

Btw bucket... The principal on which megz stands on seed royalties, and the hope that we can collectively create better more innovative seed varieties... Is sound, rational, responsible, common sense, frugal policy that respects personal responsibility and sacrifice.

Here is why... Bucket... You and sf3 are blinded by misguided misunderstanding:

There are no grain farmer... Who pay more seed 'tax' if that is what you must call the seed 'royalties'...
Than;

seed growers.

Here is why... If you would take your arrogant blinders off for one second;

seed growers must submit all the royalty 'seed tax' payable on the pedigreed seed we grow... Many times paying:

100% more royalty 'seed tax' on our own commercial production.... Because we are required to make up the shortfall on royalty 'seed tax' that is caused by farmers who cheat and refuse to pay their own way to use this intellectual property [the seed variety] that the royalty 'seed tax' exists to be sent back to plant breeders who created [the seed variety] in the first place.

Please remember... Seed growers are not given one cent, or allowed to keep one cent of the [the seed variety] royalty 'seed tax'.

Seed growers are responsible to submit 100% of [the seed variety] royalty 'seed tax' due on the planting seed... Irrespective of whether or not there was enough margin in the planting seed sale to the commercial grain farmer... This planting seed was provided to.

Seed growers get none of the [seed variety] royalty 'seed tax but must make up the difference for the 'brown bag' cheaters who insist on stealing the;

intellectual property [a part of the seed variety] that the royalty 'seed tax' that is being given... That exists to be sent back to plant breeders who created [the seed variety] in the first place.

Therefore

megz stand on seed royalties... Is solid rational thinking.

How exactly the seed variety payment due... That the royalty 'seed tax' is fairly collected... Is the issue that is truly the point of contention.

megz can be easily manipulated.....your masters would love her

I thought the seed tax was a benefit for average farmers.....how will it work out for better varieties when out customers like china make up excuses not to buy or other factors that have nothing to do with agriculture....

We could be looking at some tough years with Trudeau ignoring his part in this latest canola issue....new varieties won't solve this problem.....

Now look in the mirror and see who needs to take the blinders off...

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Promoting a cheery new wave millennial view of farming is not going to improve our image in the country. The city folk are already watching millions of dollars of equipment jumping from field to field. Watch some of these videos these people put out. Makes farming look like a vacation. All you got to do is throw some seed into he ground, take some drone vids and then jump in your climate controlled combine cab and whip it off, then its off to mexico in January. That's how city people view farming.

Perhaps some sour g****s on my part, but in many cases, I get the impression that what you write isn't far from the truth. Many young farmers who inherited a viable operation, do almost exactly as you state. They may not be the majority, but they seem to have the greatest public presence, and I can't see the rest of us expecting to get much sympathy as a result. Some posters on this site exemplify this exactly.

[bucket]

Perhaps some sour g****s on my part, but in many cases, I get the impression that what you write isn't far from the truth. Many young farmers who inherited a viable operation, do almost exactly as you state. They may not be the majority, but they seem to have the greatest public presence, and I can't see the rest of us expecting to get much sympathy as a result. Some posters on this site exemplify this exactly.

The new young BTO with inheritance that have a real public presence are the ones that are a nuisance on the farm.....I can name one but the ginger doesn't really engage in my questions I have texted him....too stupid to answer.... other than my mind can't be changed...

[TOM4CWB]

megz can be easily manipulated.....your masters would love her

I thought the seed tax was a benefit for average farmers.....how will it work out for better varieties when out customers like china make up excuses not to buy or other factors that have nothing to do with agriculture....

We could be looking at some tough years with Trudeau ignoring his part in this latest canola issue....new varieties won't solve this problem.....

Now look in the mirror and see who needs to take the blinders off...

Thx Bucket for your bringing up Chinese abuse of ‘Intellectual Property Rights’ And being the prime offending power globally in justifying political manipulation to break contracts and steal property contrary to the Rule Of Law.

This theft is also what is happening in the planting seed situation with Cereal and Pulse PBR protected varieties.

As with the abusing Chinese, the grain farmer who steals varietal intellectual property... both situations destroy the rule of law and depreciate all of our assets.
Cheers... thanks again for enforcing what the actual situation is.

[bucket]

Thx Bucket for your bringing up Chinese abuse of ‘Intellectual Property Rights’ And being the prime offending power globally in justifying political manipulation to break contracts and steal property contrary to the Rule Of Law.

This theft is also what is happening in the planting seed situation with Cereal and Pulse PBR protected varieties.

As with the abusing Chinese, the grain farmer who steals varietal intellectual property... both situations destroy the rule of law and depreciate all of our assets.
Cheers... thanks again for enforcing what the actual situation is.

I don't know what the **** you are talking about....

So let me be clear....new varieties with an attached seed tax won't help when the Chinese close their markets...

I am not talking about the chinese stealing anything....They closed their market and its going to impact every commodity in Canada.

Can I be more clear or do you just have an standard stupid answer like Trudeau...

And quit calling farmers thieves...

[TOM4CWB]

I don't know what the **** you are talking about....

So let me be clear....new varieties with an attached seed tax won't help when the Chinese close their markets...

I am not talking about the chinese stealing anything....They closed their market and its going to impact every commodity in Canada.

Can I be more clear or do you just have an standard stupid answer like Trudeau...

And quit calling farmers thieves...

Farmers who steal varieties of planting seed with PBR ...without paying their legally binding royalties...
Are as much breaking : moral and ethical; as well as legal obligations to refrain from these activities if and when they break the laws by planting these genetically identifiable varieties of planting seed... as are those farmers who sell the “brown bag” planting seed under UPOV 78 and 91.

PM Justin was right... not stating our specific concerns clearly when the opportunity is provided... leaves the door wide open for those whom feel entitled to continue abusing our laws and property... to continue the illegal and immoral behaviour.

The Chinese are making a simple logic based argument... PM Justin refuses to obey the “rule of law” therefore the Chinese will take advantage of every Canola Grower around the globe... by depressed Canola prices... for political and financial gain of the buyers of our Canola seed.

Simple for me and other Seed Growers to understand : (theft is theft no mater whom the thief is)...
How about you and SF3?
Sincerely

[bucket]

Farmers who steal varieties of planting seed with PBR ...without paying their legally binding royalties...
Are as much breaking : moral and ethical; as well as legal obligations to refrain from these activities if and when they break the laws by planting these genetically identifiable varieties of planting seed... as are those farmers who sell the “brown bag” planting seed under UPOV 78 and 91.

PM Justin was right... not stating our specific concerns clearly when the opportunity is provided... leaves the door wide open for those whom feel entitled to continue abusing our laws and property... to continue the illegal and immoral behaviour.

The Chinese are making a simple logic based argument... PM Justin refuses to obey the “rule of law” therefore the Chinese will take advantage of every Canola Grower around the globe... by depressed Canola prices... for political and financial gain of the buyers of our Canola seed.

Simple for me and other Seed Growers to understand : (theft is theft no mater whom the thief is)...
How about you and SF3?
Sincerely

If seed that comes from my neighbor is still certified seed because a royalty has to be paid on it....then I should be paid for it as certified seed at the elevator....it isn't certified after being in the field of any commercial farmer....

Please smarten the **** up....

And quite frankly most certified seed is barely pure....as proven by the triffid flax episode.....

[seldomseen]

Wow a lot of different opinions of Megz on here. She is not in my riding but i think i would take a chance and support her. She is young and a positive advocate for Ag and i don't think she was born with a trust fund so i think that would set her apart from the air head Trudeau. Because of her huge social media popularity she gets politicians to listen to her. Don't blame her for that.

I have seen a lot of different characters over the years run for a political position and i think she would be ahead of all of them. All she needs is a good mentor.

[TOM4CWB]

If seed that comes from my neighbor is still certified seed because a royalty has to be paid on it....then I should be paid for it as certified seed at the elevator....it isn't certified after being in the field of any commercial farmer....

Please smarten the **** up....

And quite frankly most certified seed is barely pure....as proven by the triffid flax episode.....

Bucket
Pretending to defend a position on a point of law... that clearly you can Not defend; (seeding PBR licenced varieties of planting seed) with UPOV 78 or 91 registrations..: no matter what swears or convoluted rational you use to dream up what generation from Breeder Seed you plant... exempts you from being a thief (should you choose to plant some of this seed variety) sorry to break your bubble... 15 generations away (down from)the last Certified Seed that produced the planting seed progeny you claim to use on exemption ...
Just because it is not itself Certified Seed... holds No legal standing for a defendant trying to use this excuse.Gene identified (PBR) varieties are iron clad legally binding registered genomes... irrespective of whichever generation you have that came from the Breeder Seed of registered Varieties .

You are aware. You may have tried to use “ignorance of the law is a valid excuse to break the law, (which is no defence at all with legal standing)...

Have a great day... hope that your spring goes well and your crops yield a prosperous harvest!
Cheers

[furrowtickler]

Thx Bucket for your bringing up Chinese abuse of ‘Intellectual Property Rights’ And being the prime offending power globally in justifying political manipulation to break contracts and steal property contrary to the Rule Of Law.

This theft is also what is happening in the planting seed situation with Cereal and Pulse PBR protected varieties.

As with the abusing Chinese, the grain farmer who steals varietal intellectual property... both situations destroy the rule of law and depreciate all of our assets.
Cheers... thanks again for enforcing what the actual situation is.

So let’s clear something up here ... define this theft Tom . Is keeping your own seed theft now ???
What is the deal with just farmer saved seed , from his own farm to be grown on his own farm ??? In fact , “his own grown seed” ??? With all this new legislation and seed tax rules .
Coles note version please ..... is that stealing or not, even if some end point royalties are paid in the pit ???
I have asked before but get different answers every single time .

At the end of the day , seed growers stand to make a lot off this which is why Megz partly supports it , as do you Tom .
So please quit fukin lying that you won’t benifit from the seed tax .... you are starting to sound like Trudeau already .
I understand it’s coming regardless, do I support it fully ... not at all . Especially with cereals, the margins are already way too tight .
Between this and the carbon tax’s all that will be left in western Canada in 10 years will be Hutterites and seed growers left to farm with a sprinkling of good “hobbyfarmers”
And I think the Hutterites will be protecting themselves by becoming seed growers .

[bucket]

Bucket
Pretending to defend a position on a point of law... that clearly you can Not defend; (seeding PBR licenced varieties of planting seed) with UPOV 78 or 91 registrations..: no matter what swears or convoluted rational you use to dream up what generation from Breeder Seed you plant... exempts you from being a thief (should you choose to plant some of this seed variety) sorry to break your bubble... 15 generations away (down from)the last Certified Seed that produced the planting seed progeny you claim to use on exemption ...
Just because it is not itself Certified Seed... holds No legal standing for a defendant trying to use this excuse.Gene identified (PBR) varieties are iron clad legally binding registered genomes... irrespective of whichever generation you have that came from the Breeder Seed of registered Varieties .

You are aware. You may have tried to use “ignorance of the law is a valid excuse to break the law, (which is no defence at all with legal standing)...

Have a great day... hope that your spring goes well and your crops yield a prosperous harvest!
Cheers

If the stupid ****s that created Triffid after being asked not to and then blended it off because no one in Canada had the means to test for it makes it OK to defend your position ...so be it....They are just as criminal as the guy trading seed at the farm after 2 or three generations....

If you want to **** up agriculture with high priced seed which is where it is going...you do it at your own peril as well...

China bans canola and you think the market is functioning properly with no support....

Tell that to a Russian steel company that Ralph Goodale just handed 40 million to the other day....thats support....

What is MEGZ position on all of this since she is such an intelligent individual as many here are willing to vote for her....

If you look at the females on the liberal side of the justice committee ...thats what you are getting...

[TOM4CWB]

So let’s clear something up here ... define this theft Tom . Is keeping your own seed theft now ???
What is the deal with just farmer saved seed , from his own farm to be grown on his own farm ??? In fact , “his own grown seed” ??? With all this new legislation and seed tax rules .
Coles note version please ..... is that stealing or not, even if some end point royalties are paid in the pit ???
I have asked before but get different answers every single time .

At the end of the day , seed growers stand to make a lot off this which is why Megz partly supports it , as do you Tom .
So please quit fukin lying that you won’t benifit from the seed tax .... you are starting to sound like Trudeau already .
I understand it’s coming regardless, do I support it fully ... not at all . Especially with cereals, the margins are already way too tight .
Between this and the carbon tax’s all that will be left in western Canada in 10 years will be Hutterites and seed growers left to farm with a sprinkling of good “hobbyfarmers”
And I think the Hutterites will be protecting themselves by becoming seed growers .

Thx Furrowtickler;

define this theft Tom .
1] Is keeping your own seed theft now ???
Answer] If you bought A REGISTERED PBR UPOV91 VARIETY certified seed, that the required royalty [had been] paid to the plant breeder... then the next generations resulting from that pedigreed Certfied planting seed can be used by that farmer alone to replant [only on this person's farm alone] as many times as that farmer chooses. No switching with other brown bag seed of the same variety... no selling to any other farmer ever for planting seed.
So you asked;

"What is the deal with just farmer saved seed [I assume you mean grown from legally purchased planting Certified Seed of a specific variety that is registered with PBR, UPOV78/91], from his own farm to be grown... [ONLY BACK] on his own farm [NOT SOLD AS PLANTING SEED TO ANY OTHER FARMER]...
THIS IS CLEARLY THE RIGHT OF THAT FARMER TO KEEP USING THAT SPECIFIC GENETIC GENOME OF THAT SPECIFIC LOT OF PEDIGREED SEED[???] THAT In fact ,[IS THE PROGENY OF] “his own grown seed” . This new legislation and seed tax rules HAVE NOT CHANGED RADICALLY. PBR HAS BEEN AROUND OVER 2 DECADES... AS HAS UPOV78.

ALL THAT CHANGED WITH UPOV 91 LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED IN 2015; WAS THAT IT IS ILLEGAL TO BUY OR SELL PLANTING SEED OF A REGISTERED PBR VARIETY... WHERE AS THE ILLEGAL SELLER OF UPOV78 PBR VARIETIES... WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGES... INSTEAD OF BOTH THE BUYER AND SELLER WITH ILLEGAL PLANTING SEED USE OF UPOV91 REGISTERED VARIETIES.

BECAUSE PEDIGREED SEED GROWERS KEEP 0% of the seed royalty due the plant breeder... there is no profit in the collection of seed royalties... instead a liability is created... when illegal 'brown bag' planting seed is sold to another farmer... and the PEDIGREED SEED GROWER must compete with this planting seed that the seller does not submit the royalty due on that lot of PBR upov registered seed used for illegal planting. 30-40% of years... we could have realized higher net margin returns... if we had sold the planting seed instead as commercial grain instead to a grain buyer.

PEDIGREED SEED GROWERS must have clean fields with break rotations...
AS 'New' varieties are a logistical purity issue...
as [old varieties contaminate purity with volunteers which will contaminate the purity of these 'New' planting seed varieties.... if not dealt with effectively.
Further,
PEDIGREED SEED GROWERS are still required to pay the seed tax on our own farm saved seed used for pedigreed seed planting...
AND,
even though commercial grain growers are exempt from paying the seed tax on their own grown from planting seed... yes we must pay the seed tax even on grain crops produced from our own planting seed... for commercial sale to grain buyers...

If you think there is big 'extra' returns in growing pedigreed seed... there is nothing stopping you!
Have fun and a great year in 2019!!!

[farmaholic]

If seed growers don't like paying royalties on their certified seed they can't sell to producers and instead has to sell to grain companies, they should take it up with their Plant Breeder Association/SeedCo. It's a ****ing risk they have to take. It's not my problem!!!!! They could also quit grain farming or change to cattle farming.