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    #16
    Originally posted by bucket View Post
    I will accept your explanation BUT does it make it right for western provinces to run deficits for the benefit of balanced budgets in Quebec????

    bucket you let him off the hook way too fast. he is 100% wrong. Equalization is a federal program, but resources are a provincial jurisdiction. If Quebec can exempt its hydro revenues, we can exempt our fossil fuels and other resources.

    A nice little referendum on this ought to open up the discussion. I see a constitutional challenge to get that formula rewritten or the stepping stone to pull out of this dysfunction. This wasn't tried under harper because he wanted to grow support in that province. Well that will never work except for a handful of seats. Now its time the west really takes the fight on.

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      #17
      Originally posted by jazz View Post
      bucket you let him off the hook way too fast. he is 100% wrong. Equalization is a federal program, but resources are a provincial jurisdiction. If Quebec can exempt its hydro revenues, we can exempt our fossil fuels and other resources.

      A nice little referendum on this ought to open up the discussion. I see a constitutional challenge to get that formula rewritten or the stepping stone to pull out of this dysfunction. This wasn't tried under harper because he wanted to grow support in that province. Well that will never work except for a handful of seats. Now its time the west really takes the fight on.


      Export's of power from Quebec should be like resources in alberta

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        #18
        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
        Equalization is a federal program paid for with federal taxes collected in all provinces.

        No province can halt equalization payments because it is a federal program.

        Equalization is in the Constitution and will not be cancelled unless all provinces agree to it.

        Harper tinkered with the formula but accepted the basic policy goal of equalization.
        If I was Justin Trudeau I would be very thankful for people like you Chuck2. Here is a couple of numbers if your Trudeau to be thankful for, Statscan numbers from 2016. Albertan's sent $49 billion in tax revenue to the federal government and recieved $27.2 billion back. Quebecers sent $50.3 billion of tax revenue and recieved $66.4 billion back from the federal government. So as an Albertan I am thankful that I get f#+ked by Eastern Canada on a daily basis and that fellow westerners like Chuck2 think that it is just fine! Enjoy your day!

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          #19
          Originally posted by shtferbrains View Post
          "Thank you for good cattle prices"

          Odd situation where the daughters going to the feedlot are worth more than the mothers as bred cows.

          Not many bidders on the Cows. Too much work for too little money.
          No pasture....guys are still worried about water....

          It's really a matter of perspective....

          Good prices for my steers and poor prices for bred cows is a win...

          My kid has put all his money from coyotes into cows......Coyotes are a good price as well...

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            #20
            This is the same reason that Sask was able to mount a constitutional challenge to the carbon tax. The feds have powers to tax personal income and consumption that arrives from it (ie GST) but they cannot tax the means of production directly. So if carbon is a result of an action to extract a resource, then its taxation is illegal. That's why they are trying to frame it as regulation not tax when its clearly a tax.

            The same argument can be made for equalization.

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              #21
              Cattle are the best low capital way to get into ag.

              Cow lease agreements with the right partners can speed up the process if you can make the feed and the time.

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                #22
                Jazz Kenny the great white knight and savior of alberta, boy are you delusional? its the likes of you con belivers that gave them a free pass before,and thats why we are in this mess now.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Horse View Post
                  Jazz Kenny the great white knight and savior of alberta, boy are you delusional? its the likes of you con belivers that gave them a free pass before,and thats why we are in this mess now.
                  I doubt Kenny is responsible for any of the mess our country is in and he doesn't get a free pass at all. He is all we have right now and either we get off our knees and right this project now, or we bow out. I give him 2 yrs. By that time if he hasn't held an equalization referendum then its over, close the doors and lights out for Canada. Cause this wont work as it is.

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                    #24
                    Referandum A way to do nothing but make the hoi-poly think they are.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                      If I was Justin Trudeau I would be very thankful for people like you Chuck2. Here is a couple of numbers if your Trudeau to be thankful for, Statscan numbers from 2016. Albertan's sent $49 billion in tax revenue to the federal government and recieved $27.2 billion back. Quebecers sent $50.3 billion of tax revenue and recieved $66.4 billion back from the federal government. So as an Albertan I am thankful that I get f#+ked by Eastern Canada on a daily basis and that fellow westerners like Chuck2 think that it is just fine! Enjoy your day!
                      Harper had 10 years to scrap it or fix it. Why didn't he, of all Prime Ministers from Alberta, fix it?

                      Alberta and Saskatchewan pay more Federal taxes per capita because their per capita GDP and incomes are much higher than many other parts of Canada.

                      I find it really hard to feel sorry for Albertans because they are sitting on a large amount of resources that gives them the highest GDP per capita and highest incomes in the country. I really don't feel sorry for the rich neighbors down the road who complain about paying to much tax either. It's so tough being rich!

                      Albertans don't work any harder than any other Canadians. They just happen to be part of a boom and bust economy and when the bust occurs it is everybody else's fault.

                      Maybe Alberta should have put some of their windfall away like Norway did?
                      Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 8, 2019, 10:15.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Horse View Post
                        Referandum A way to do nothing but make the hoi-poly think they are.
                        I am interested in what your suggestions are? or do you like the current place we have in confederation?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                          Harper had 10 years to scrap it or fix it. Why didn't he, of all Prime Ministers from Alberta, fix it?

                          Alberta and Saskatchewan pay more Federal taxes per capita because their per capita GDP and incomes are much higher than many other parts of Canada.

                          I find it really hard to feel sorry for Albertans because they are sitting on a large amount of resources that gives them the highest GDP per capita and highest incomes in the country. I really don't feel sorry for the rich neighbors down the road who complain about paying to much tax either. It's so tough being rich!

                          Albertans don't work any harder than any other Canadians. They just happen to be part of a boom and bust economy and when the bust occurs it is everybody else's fault.

                          Maybe Alberta should have put some of their windfall away like Norway did?
                          Pretty ****ing hard when keebeck took most of it ???

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                            Maybe Alberta should have put some of their windfall away like Norway did?

                            That chestnut again? Please. Norway is a tiny country with a tiny population concentrated on the coast. it has a fraction of the infrastructure we do and it doesn't have leech provinces and special interest groups demanding their cut. If Ab didn't have to send $10B every yr to Quebec, it would have a huge wealth fund saved up.

                            Harper couldn't change the formula because he sucked up to Quebec for his majority thinking they could be wooed into supporting western issues. We saw how long that lasted. We wont make that mistake.

                            Quebec fudges its incomes because it has taken hydro revenues out of income tests. And then they use our equalization money for social supports we don't have here, so personal income doesn't need to be as high.

                            have you worked on a rig chuck?
                            Last edited by jazz; Mar 8, 2019, 10:36.

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                              #29
                              Norway not only put a lot of money away they also have some intelligent projects going forward...very smart people....

                              Those are the people that should be welcomed to Canada...they could fix our infrastructure deficits....

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by bucket View Post
                                Norway not only put a lot of money away they also have some intelligent projects going forward...very smart people....

                                Those are the people that should be welcomed to Canada...they could fix our infrastructure deficits....
                                Bucket, like our wildly popular infrastructure bank that Trudeau created. All the regular investors fled the country right after Trudeau was elected. So guess who is the sole investor in the infrastructure bank - Quebec Pension plan. How many projects, just one. Who is the contractor for it, well SNC of course.

                                God our country reeks with disgusting corruption.

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