Oh Oh Kenney got caught

[littledoggie]

Regarding the Alberta election. Be sure to always do your fact checks cause there's a lot of BS being spewed. For example: Kenney's view on immigration?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jason-kenney-slams-david-suzukis-immigration-views-as-toxic-and-irresponsible-after-environmentalist-says-canada-full

[Guest]

[QUOTE=dmlfarmer;405603]Caseih, why do you think the weather in your backyard or even western Canada is indicative of the weather in the entire planet? Didn't mallee's posts of record high temperatures at least make you pause and think that maybe it is not cold in the entire world even though North America is?

Now 4 separate agencies have just released the data showing global average temperatures for February 2019 was amongst the amongst the 5th warmest February on record. How do you explain that given your claim of one of the coldest winters on record?


https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-201902 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-201902

And if your claim that it was one of the coldest winters on record, why is measured sea ice in the Arctic in February nearly 6% less than the 30 year average between 1981 and 2010 and Antarctic ice is over 13 % less than the same 30 year average?

https://weather.com/news/climate/news/2019-03-18-noaa-february-2019-global-climate-temperature-report https://weather.com/news/climate/news/2019-03-18-noaa-february-2019-global-climate-temperature-report

Given this actual data, could you please provide the proof you have to make the claim it was "one of the coldest winters on record" and "it (global warming??) is falling down all around them"
as I said climate change has always been here , always will
that's why there are palm trees in the ice in the Arctic
this is the year there was to be no sea ice according to the likes of gore/Suzuki predicted 20 years ago , yes 2019 !!!
the scam is coming to light , slowly but surely
the climate will change , with or without us
but scammers like those two won't make anymore easy money off of fools
proof, you can find proof of anything you want on
the Internet
Google palm trees and crocodiles in the Arctic

[shtferbrains]

[QUOTE=wd9;405608]Once weather and resistant viruses/bacteria clean out the humans worldwide, it'll return to normal.

So which one do you think is the bigger threat of those two unrelated issues?

Personally the resistant bacteria scares the shit out of me but I don't see the weather in my area being hard to adapt to.

Most hospitals today have big problems sending people home with resistant infections that they may have to live a lifetime with.

How much would it cost for Canada to clean out the resistant bacteria like Holland is doing?

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE=caseih;405613]

Caseih, why do you think the weather in your backyard or even western Canada is indicative of the weather in the entire planet? Didn't mallee's posts of record high temperatures at least make you pause and think that maybe it is not cold in the entire world even though North America is?...


...And if your claim that it was one of the coldest winters on record, why is measured sea ice in the Arctic in February nearly 6% less than the 30 year average between 1981 and 2010 and Antarctic ice is over 13 % less than the same 30 year average?...

...Given this actual data, could you please provide the proof you have to make the claim it was "one of the coldest winters on record" and "it (global warming??) is falling down all around them"
Google palm trees and crocodiles in the Arctic

I did so but it did not answer the questions I asked you so I will ask you again.

BTW, you also ignore a number of important facts relating to the palm trees and crocodiles in the Arctic. Besides there being no mankind, or society 50,000,000 years ago sea levels were estimated to be 200 feet higher ( so much for most of habited area on earth today), that all the middle of the North American continent was an inland sea (which is why western Canada is blessed with oil and potash), that there were no glaciers or ice caps which today supply much of the rivers that we rely on for irrigation, and water supplies. https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+the+earth+looked+like+50+million+yea rs+ago&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CcWMnwtfI9FmIjhpkX9LacfEu f3SKqgnWSEzsm5YxK4j1dAAVVciVnQof-qmd8FnmJlzD8iPQO-zkP0YRb_1GAqDnwyoSCWmRf0tpx8S5Eb0NhTpAtqqxKhIJ_1dI qqCdZITMRKtQ1VEhUd7YqEgmybljEriPV0BHTrKE3N03P2ioSC QBVVyJWdCh_1EWquKt0quyPhKhIJ6qZ3wWeYmXMRTAC81XDCBO YqEgkPyI9A77OQ_1REP4O6YocXiJyoSCRhFv8YCoOfDEYtFd6d 54iSG&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi27pDO_JPhAhUp6oMKHcJt BPkQ9C96BAgBEBg&biw=1920&bih=932&dpr=1#imgrc=_m4C9 X6LOHG7YM:&spf=1553196922360 https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+the+earth+looked+like+50+million+yea rs+ago&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CcWMnwtfI9FmIjhpkX9LacfEu f3SKqgnWSEzsm5YxK4j1dAAVVciVnQof-qmd8FnmJlzD8iPQO-zkP0YRb_1GAqDnwyoSCWmRf0tpx8S5Eb0NhTpAtqqxKhIJ_1dI qqCdZITMRKtQ1VEhUd7YqEgmybljEriPV0BHTrKE3N03P2ioSC QBVVyJWdCh_1EWquKt0quyPhKhIJ6qZ3wWeYmXMRTAC81XDCBO YqEgkPyI9A77OQ_1REP4O6YocXiJyoSCRhFv8YCoOfDEYtFd6d 54iSG&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi27pDO_JPhAhUp6oMKHcJt BPkQ9C96BAgBEBg&biw=1920&bih=932&dpr=1#imgrc=_m4C9 X6LOHG7YM:&spf=1553196922360

[furrowtickler]

[QUOTE=dmlfarmer;405658]

I did so but it did not answer the questions I asked you so I will ask you again.

BTW, you also ignore a number of important facts relating to the palm trees and crocodiles in the Arctic. Besides there being no mankind, or society 50,000,000 years ago sea levels were estimated to be 200 feet higher ( so much for most of habited area on earth today), that all the middle of the North American continent was an inland sea (which is why western Canada is blessed with oil and potash), that there were no glaciers or ice caps which today supply much of the rivers that we rely on for irrigation, and water supplies. https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+the+earth+looked+like+50+million+yea rs+ago&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CcWMnwtfI9FmIjhpkX9LacfEu f3SKqgnWSEzsm5YxK4j1dAAVVciVnQof-qmd8FnmJlzD8iPQO-zkP0YRb_1GAqDnwyoSCWmRf0tpx8S5Eb0NhTpAtqqxKhIJ_1dI qqCdZITMRKtQ1VEhUd7YqEgmybljEriPV0BHTrKE3N03P2ioSC QBVVyJWdCh_1EWquKt0quyPhKhIJ6qZ3wWeYmXMRTAC81XDCBO YqEgkPyI9A77OQ_1REP4O6YocXiJyoSCRhFv8YCoOfDEYtFd6d 54iSG&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi27pDO_JPhAhUp6oMKHcJt BPkQ9C96BAgBEBg&biw=1920&bih=932&dpr=1#imgrc=_m4C9 X6LOHG7YM:&spf=1553196922360 https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+the+earth+looked+like+50+million+yea rs+ago&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CcWMnwtfI9FmIjhpkX9LacfEu f3SKqgnWSEzsm5YxK4j1dAAVVciVnQof-qmd8FnmJlzD8iPQO-zkP0YRb_1GAqDnwyoSCWmRf0tpx8S5Eb0NhTpAtqqxKhIJ_1dI qqCdZITMRKtQ1VEhUd7YqEgmybljEriPV0BHTrKE3N03P2ioSC QBVVyJWdCh_1EWquKt0quyPhKhIJ6qZ3wWeYmXMRTAC81XDCBO YqEgkPyI9A77OQ_1REP4O6YocXiJyoSCRhFv8YCoOfDEYtFd6d 54iSG&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi27pDO_JPhAhUp6oMKHcJt BPkQ9C96BAgBEBg&biw=1920&bih=932&dpr=1#imgrc=_m4C9 X6LOHG7YM:&spf=1553196922360

99% of us don’t rely on irrigation.... just to clear that up .

Oh and probably the same for water, most comes from wells .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

For those of you still willing to Engage with the alarmists on this, You don't have to go back millions of Years to find irrefutable evidence of when the climate was better (warmer) than it is today, Just back to the Holocene optimum, Which occurred within the same interglacial we are currently enjoying. Retreating glaciers are constantly uncovering the evidence for this period, as well as the medieval warm period. I would stick with that logic, not going back millions of years. It is much harder for them to discredit.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

For those of you still willing to Engage with the alarmists on this, You don't have to go back millions of Years to find irrefutable evidence of when the climate was better (warmer) than it is today, Just back to the Holocene optimum, Which occurred within the same interglacial we are currently enjoying. Retreating glaciers are constantly uncovering the evidence for this period, as well as the medieval warm period. I would stick with that logic, not going back millions of years. It is much harder for them to discredit.

[dmlfarmer]

For those of you still willing to Engage with the alarmists on this, You don't have to go back millions of Years to find irrefutable evidence of when the climate was better (warmer) than it is today, Just back to the Holocene optimum, Which occurred within the same interglacial we are currently enjoying. Retreating glaciers are constantly uncovering the evidence for this period, as well as the medieval warm period. I would stick with that logic, not going back millions of years. It is much harder for them to discredit.

But it also makes it impossible to refute my statement that we are in totally uncharted climate territory with current CO2 levels over 400ppm when they have never exceeded 300ppm over the past 800,000 years including the Holocene optimum which started roughly 12,000 years ago and during which time CO2 levels never exceeded 300ppm.

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE=furrowtickler;405659]

99% of us don’t rely on irrigation.... just to clear that up .

Oh and probably the same for water, most comes from wells .

lol, speaking globally and not just about farmers. (How many cities today rely on wells, compared to rivers for water) Most prairie farmers do not have ocean front property (on the prairies) now either, yet same likely could not be said during the time period when dinosaurs roamed the Arctic (unless the farm was on an island in the inland sea)

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But it also makes it impossible to refute my statement that we are in totally uncharted climate territory with current CO2 levels over 400ppm when they have never exceeded 300ppm over the past 800,000 years including the Holocene optimum which started roughly 12,000 years ago and during which time CO2 levels never exceeded 300ppm.

You have that backwards. We are in uncharted CO2 territory(in recent times at least). But, in spite of that, we are still well within charted territory for climate. Indicating a very poor relationship between the two. Which is why it is a much better argument to use.