Remember when the Liberal carbon tax was a conservative idea?

[the big wheel]

dml, perhaps, unlike the average left leaning voter or politician, farmers just aren't hypocritical enough, and have too many morals and strong enough ethics not to support and profit from something that they clearly understand is fraudulent, unscientific, ineffective, and not in their best long term interests.

That would probably be a difficult concept to comprehend by anyone who is still able to support the current gang of lying criminals in the liberal party(not saying that you are).

Why would we want to offer legitimacy to something which is clearly illegitimate to anyone willing to do their homework? It would only be used against us in the future, and further encourage more draconian measures including the carbon tax increases(and eventual removal of exemption for farmers), more regulations and restrictions over how we operate, more support for expensive "green" power which will cost us dearly and on and on.

Not everyone is willing to sell out for short term ( and short sighted) gain.

So your saying there is no plan to be paid for sequesting carbon because we farmers are so moral? Lol

We re not getting paid or recognized because we have no vioice.

There are only so many options to deal with the rules our elected officials have the right to impose on us while they are in power. So it’s either adapt to their rules or don’t complain about the consequences.

None of us here can truly say we know how much humans have or don’t have an effect on the climate that does change. I don’t even think we know exactly what things we produce not just carbon may or may not have an effect on climate. The only thing we know is the rules that our elected officials are making us operate under.

[chuckChuck]

dml, perhaps, unlike the average left leaning voter or politician, farmers just aren't hypocritical enough, and have too many morals and strong enough ethics not to support and profit from something that they clearly understand is fraudulent, unscientific, ineffective, and not in their best long term interests.

That would probably be a difficult concept to comprehend by anyone who is still able to support the current gang of lying criminals in the liberal party(not saying that you are).

Why would we want to offer legitimacy to something which is clearly illegitimate to anyone willing to do their homework? It would only be used against us in the future, and further encourage more draconian measures including the carbon tax increases(and eventual removal of exemption for farmers), more regulations and restrictions over how we operate, more support for expensive "green" power which will cost us dearly and on and on.

Not everyone is willing to sell out for short term ( and short sighted) gain.

Unscientific, fraudulent? That is total BS. A5 we have been waiting all winter for you to provide some compelling scientific evidence that humans and green house gases are not significantly contributing to climate change. You have made lame excuses but your failure to provide any credible research to backup your claims says it all. Even Scott Moe admits human caused climate change is real and a serious problem.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, please try to keep up, In this case, the fraud in this instance is the net effect of a carbon tax on Canadians to the world climate. If you were to accept The worst case scenario for climate sensitivity, Take the inconsequential decline that the carbon tax will result in. What is the two together, Evaluate the cost-benefit ratio for the carbon tax. Bring those numbers back here and show me that this is anything but in ineffective fraud.

And if you don't want to go to that much work, You can find the numbers already calculated for you from multiple sources.

[seldomseen]

Unscientific, fraudulent? That is total BS. A5 we have been waiting all winter for you to provide some compelling scientific evidence that humans and green house gases are not significantly contributing to climate change. You have made lame excuses but your failure to provide any credible research to backup your claims says it all. Even Scott Moe admits human caused climate change is real and a serious problem.

I guess we just call it the way we see it.

I still look for the shortest season canola that is available and it won't buy a wheat variety that takes more than 100 days to mature. Just like i did when I started farming.

I have said before that in our local history book one family came to this area in 1910 and planted their first crop on March 10 and they had a bountiful harvest. The hottest summer ever recorded in Canada happened in 1937.

[bucket]

I do not believe in climate change....I like to think that I am ahead of the crowd when they realize this is all bullshit...

[Hamloc]

Unscientific, fraudulent? That is total BS. A5 we have been waiting all winter for you to provide some compelling scientific evidence that humans and green house gases are not significantly contributing to climate change. You have made lame excuses but your failure to provide any credible research to backup your claims says it all. Even Scott Moe admits human caused climate change is real and a serious problem.

Chuck2 I would like you to tell us how you intend to lower your C02 emissions by 30% by 2030. Since you are a large proponent of the necessity of lowering our carbon footprint you must have started doing this already. I realize you have installed solar panels but how much do you feel this will lower your total emissions? How high do you feel the carbon tax should go? Will the carbon tax change your behaviour? If the carbon tax is $100 a tonne by 2030 do you think farming will still be viable in western Canada? My understanding from the latest report that Canada is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world and that it is irreversible. Realistically emissions from one country don't stay in that country they spread throughout our shared atmosphere. If we as Canadians lower our carbon footprint do you think it will actually affect the climate in Canada? Look forward to your response.

[Guest]

I believe in climate change , i think most do
Otherwise there wouldnt be alligator and palm tree fossills in the arctic
What i cant believer is the arrogant airheads that think they can control it ?
Why dont we go after the real issues , smog and pollution in the big cities , Plastic and junk in the oceans and what government in their right ****ing mind would let quebec dump raw sewage in the st lawrence ???

[farmaholic]

......... Even Scott Moe admits human caused climate change is real and a serious problem.

Politicians sometimes have to say things to try and win the votes of any prospective voters.

Most things aren't only black or white....and the grey zone can be razor thin or a mile wide.

[walterm]

I believe in climate change , i think most do
Otherwise there wouldnt be alligator and palm tree fossills in the arctic
What i cant believer is the arrogant airheads that think they can control it ?
Why dont we go after the real issues , smog and pollution in the big cities , Plastic and junk in the oceans and what government in their right ****ing mind would let quebec dump raw sewage in the st lawrence ???

Agree why do 6 little screws or nuts have to be packaged in plastic? Seems everything we buy has to be almost individually packaged.

[jazz]

our attempts to negotiate with unreasonable people have yielded nothing. If we went to the enviro lobby and said farmers will get on board but we want our land recognized as a sink and paid out for it. They would just laugh and continue on their merry way and try to get their pound of flesh one way or another.

[chuckChuck]

Glad to see some farmers are concerned about several environmental issues. The world needs to continue to clean up the way we live and do business. Supporting efforts to clean up the oceans, the air and fresh water are important.

But then willfully ignoring human caused climate change and denying that it is exists make no sense.

Climate change comes with a huge global cost and the massive negative impact it will have is going to cost you and I and future generations a lot of money.

[Robertbarlage]

Can u show use all chuck what you have done to make it better