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Everyone knows its just another tax grab
Wtf are people gonna do , freeze inside their homes ?
Some dumb pricks think it only applies to fuel/gas
Some dont get that everything in this big country needs to be moved , with fuel
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And what Chuck Fails to mention in his latest cut and paste Extolling the virtues of BC's CO2 tax, Is that their emissions have going up every year since 2015.
Omitting the inconvenient facts is no better than outright lyingLast edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Apr 6, 2019, 16:33.
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Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View PostAnd what Chuck Fails to mention in his latest cut and paste Extolling the virtues of BC's CO2 tax, Is that their commissions have going up every year since 2015.
Omitting the inconvenient facts is better than alright lying
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Originally posted by Hamloc View PostActually AB5 their emissions have been going up since 2012 but I certainly agree with your outlook.
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If a carbon tax is so bad for the economy why is BC doing so well?
Maybe you should read or reread what was written in the article I posted.
"Since introducing pollution pricing in 2008, per capita emissions in B.C. are down by 14 per cent, while the economy has grown by 26 per cent."
"Among Canadian provinces, B.C. has registered the fastest rate of economic growth since 2008. B.C.’s outperformance is forecast to continue – even accelerate – through 2019 and 2020, according to RBC Economic Research. Canada’s westernmost province also boasts the lowest unemployment rate, the lowest personal-tax rate for incomes under $125,000 and one of the lowest corporate-tax rates in the country. Indeed, B.C. is even being described as Canada’s new economic powerhouse."
At the same time, we are using money raised by the carbon tax to lower personal income taxes (resulting in the lowest income taxes in the country for all but the highest earners) and corporate taxes; to provide rebates to low-income and rural families to ensure they are better off; and, soon, to fund green infrastructure – improving the overall competitiveness of our economy. It has also helped B.C. become a global leader in one of the world’s fastest-growing industries.
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostIf a carbon tax is so bad for the economy why is BC doing so well?
Maybe you should read or reread what was written in the article I posted.
"Since introducing pollution pricing in 2008, per capita emissions in B.C. are down by 14 per cent, while the economy has grown by 26 per cent."
"Among Canadian provinces, B.C. has registered the fastest rate of economic growth since 2008. B.C.’s outperformance is forecast to continue – even accelerate – through 2019 and 2020, according to RBC Economic Research. Canada’s westernmost province also boasts the lowest unemployment rate, the lowest personal-tax rate for incomes under $125,000 and one of the lowest corporate-tax rates in the country. Indeed, B.C. is even being described as Canada’s new economic powerhouse."
At the same time, we are using money raised by the carbon tax to lower personal income taxes (resulting in the lowest income taxes in the country for all but the highest earners) and corporate taxes; to provide rebates to low-income and rural families to ensure they are better off; and, soon, to fund green infrastructure – improving the overall competitiveness of our economy. It has also helped B.C. become a global leader in one of the world’s fastest-growing industries.Last edited by Hamloc; Apr 6, 2019, 13:13.
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Originally posted by Hamloc View PostAccording to B.C.'s website on GHG emissions in 2007 B.C. emitted 63.641 million tonnes of C02, population was 4.291 million people, per capita emissions were 14.83 tonnes. In 2016 which is the latest year available B.C. emitted 62.246 million tonnes, had a population of 4.648 million people and therefore per capita emissions of 13.395 tonnes. According to my math that that is a reduction of 9.68% not 14. What I would be interested in seeing is per capita emissions in every province comparing 2007 to 2016. Maybe when I get the time. By the way Chuck2 I asked you a few days ago how you were planning to lower your personal emissions by 30% by 2030 and no response!
What efforts are you making personally?
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostIf a carbon tax is so bad for the economy why is BC doing so well?
Maybe you should read or reread what was written in the article I posted.
"Since introducing pollution pricing in 2008, per capita emissions in B.C. are down by 14 per cent, while the economy has grown by 26 per cent."
"Among Canadian provinces, B.C. has registered the fastest rate of economic growth since 2008. B.C.’s outperformance is forecast to continue – even accelerate – through 2019 and 2020, according to RBC Economic Research. Canada’s westernmost province also boasts the lowest unemployment rate, the lowest personal-tax rate for incomes under $125,000 and one of the lowest corporate-tax rates in the country. Indeed, B.C. is even being described as Canada’s new economic powerhouse."
At the same time, we are using money raised by the carbon tax to lower personal income taxes (resulting in the lowest income taxes in the country for all but the highest earners) and corporate taxes; to provide rebates to low-income and rural families to ensure they are better off; and, soon, to fund green infrastructure – improving the overall competitiveness of our economy. It has also helped B.C. become a global leader in one of the world’s fastest-growing industries.
I just read ( recent economic developments in British Columbia). To much reading for cut and paste so I will sum it up. The number 1 things in the last few years were real estate, rentals, leasing, construction, house hold spending followed by service sector, social services, health care, utilities, finance and insurance. Others in expansion mode was mining, quarry, softwood lumber, manufacturing and oil and gas extraction. No mention of clean initiatives. This report was dated 1 year ago.
They also said from 2014-2016 BC purchased more new trucks, van + sport vehicles. Also in 2017 new car dealers reflected gains of 11.7%
So this really baffles me how can they possibly reduce their emissions with more vehicles, houses, buildings, construction, mining, etc.
If you add the extra taxes with your income tax, do they still have the lowest taxes? I can see it if you live in a apartment and don’t need to drive.
I am not going to say that pricing pollution will not help with the environment but to say it will make Canada an economic success is like believing in Peter pan until the day we have better alternatives available.
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Do you not see why BC will never be able to hit a mandated 2030 target on CO2, or any other province that won't stay static in population?
Their extra population on year nine was 357,000 more human bodies that produced 4.78 million tonnes of CO2 in 2016 than if their population had remained at the 2007 level. It was not those extra bodies that led to any BC foot print gain on GHGs. That is the elephant, not how you can drop your personal CO2 production by 1% a year.
And now you know why gains can quickly become losses, and what is the point if the tipping of it has already occurred as some believe.
cc., if you would drop a quarter section, you could throw away your panels and building insulation, and still meet your CO2 important to you targets.
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