BC carbon Tax ...

[Guest]

it's all propaganda , horeshit really
you know , like the artic would be ice free this year
like taking temp readings inside cities
like we have twelve years left , again , lol
they have been caught lying so many times it's laughable that anyone believes any of it anymore

[AlbertaFarmer5]

"Since introducing pollution pricing in 2008,

Chuck, The author of this article loses all credibility in the very first sentence. By purposefully confusing CO2 with pollution.
None of us would be against pollution pricing as a quasi-free market solution to reducing pollution. Surely you can find a more credible source than that?

[fjlip]

it's all propaganda , horeshit really
you know , like the artic would be ice free this year
like taking temp readings inside cities
like we have twelve years left , again , lol
they have been caught lying so many times it's laughable that anyone believes any of it anymore

Agree but it's absolutely sickening how the MSM is repeating the LIES and interviewing "EXPERTS" that spew the horseshit like it was gospel. NOT ONE scary prediction is factual or could they prove. All wild ass guesses, using numbers to prove the result they want. Nobody can get a temperature or CO2 average for the world! Nor can they compare to any historical numbers from old technology. All are doomsday PREDICTIONS to scare the GULLIBLE. How the hell is any rational thinking person swallowing this crap? Canada should simply say "we have met the Paris targets". Nobody could prove otherwise, end of topic.

[cris]

I have another point of view of why B.C. may have bloomed though the last few years. Vancouver has been a hub for money laundering through real estate esp (as well as other ways, dope, casinos), in excess of a billion dollars per year for several years now. Doing a bit of napkin math, if the homes have artificially increased value by 500K, because of all the offshore money, that make many people quite a bit more flush with cash and borrowing power on home lines and personal lines of credit.
300,000 homes in Van, 500,000k added liquidity,
$150,000,000,000 value (false value) added to the economy before multiplying in Marginal Propensity to spend.

Pretty sure as money laundering controls get tighter, offshore money will slow, housing will collapse, loans will get called and the bubble will do what bubbles do!

[jimmy]

If a carbon tax is so bad for the economy why is BC doing so well?
Maybe you should read or reread what was written in the article I posted.



"Since introducing pollution pricing in 2008, per capita emissions in B.C. are down by 14 per cent, while the economy has grown by 26 per cent."

"Among Canadian provinces, B.C. has registered the fastest rate of economic growth since 2008. B.C.’s outperformance is forecast to continue – even accelerate – through 2019 and 2020, according to RBC Economic Research. Canada’s westernmost province also boasts the lowest unemployment rate, the lowest personal-tax rate for incomes under $125,000 and one of the lowest corporate-tax rates in the country. Indeed, B.C. is even being described as Canada’s new economic powerhouse."

At the same time, we are using money raised by the carbon tax to lower personal income taxes (resulting in the lowest income taxes in the country for all but the highest earners) and corporate taxes; to provide rebates to low-income and rural families to ensure they are better off; and, soon, to fund green infrastructure – improving the overall competitiveness of our economy. It has also helped B.C. become a global leader in one of the world’s fastest-growing industries.

Maybe being Canada’s biggest exporter of coal has something to do about it.

[jimmy]

House and shop have lots of insulation and high efficiency gas heating systems. Try to drive more fuel efficient vehicles when possible. PV Solar system is the biggest single reduction. I will consider a fully electric vehicle once the range is better and recharging network is expanded. Ford is developing an electric F150. We have made some progress but there is still room for improvement and further reductions.

What efforts are you making personally?

I bought a beautiful brand new wood stove actually two of them. **** solar and enjoy your electric truck when in your in the middle of no where stuck in a blizzard.

[fjlip]

Just saw this posted by a person working up north...typical example of the CORRUPT WORTHLESS data being used...

The CBC JUST PUT OUT A LEAKED REPORT SAYING THE NORTH IS WARMING AT TEMPERTURES 2.5 TIMES GREATER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD.... THIS IS WHAT I PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE ARCTIC...The air quality monitoring stations that were installed after 2000 are a point of faulty data collection. The person who installed them (i helped them find locations for the ones in Inuvik and Yellowknife) were placed in locations to to get 'hits' ... when I asked the person in charge why he wanted them in locations where it would obvious give high readings he told me they want 'hits' so they can get more funding. I thought that was bad science so I would only approve a site that was average air quality for the town of Inuvik by a soccer pitch and no buildings or traffic near it... since they are going to use that single point to represent the surrounding 500 km I felt that was best... the person complained to the SAO and Mayor ... but I held firm on my assertion that the location away from direct sources of pollution was a better location to collect a representative sample. Since I moved away they moved the air quality station next to the boiler end on one of the larger buildings in Inuvik (Midnight Sun Rec Center) obviously to get 'hits' ... the air quality monitoring station in Yellowknife (see pictures) is next to one of the larger sewage lift stations (think pig barn) in the city... I would get calls a couple times a year from environment Canada asking about a high numbers...LOL! so the data from any of these sources are suspect... not because I don't believe data... quite the opposite ... I collect and analyze data professionally... there are serious problems when the data is collected to get 'hits'... the report 'leaked' by CBC has been fixed with 20 years of manipulated data... we are being miss-lead.
If this is happening on Canadas Arctic... where else has the data collected been placed so the monitoring system will get 'hits'?

[furrowtickler]

I have another point of view of why B.C. may have bloomed though the last few years. Vancouver has been a hub for money laundering through real estate esp (as well as other ways, dope, casinos), in excess of a billion dollars per year for several years now. Doing a bit of napkin math, if the homes have artificially increased value by 500K, because of all the offshore money, that make many people quite a bit more flush with cash and borrowing power on home lines and personal lines of credit.
300,000 homes in Van, 500,000k added liquidity,
$150,000,000,000 value (false value) added to the economy before multiplying in Marginal Propensity to spend.

Pretty sure as money laundering controls get tighter, offshore money will slow, housing will collapse, loans will get called and the bubble will do what bubbles do!

Bingo

[Hamloc]

House and shop have lots of insulation and high efficiency gas heating systems. Try to drive more fuel efficient vehicles when possible. PV Solar system is the biggest single reduction. I will consider a fully electric vehicle once the range is better and recharging network is expanded. Ford is developing an electric F150. We have made some progress but there is still room for improvement and further reductions.

What efforts are you making personally?

First off Chuck2 I am not a promoter of the climate change dogma such as we have 12 years to get off fossil fuels. I find the extreme level of rhetoric from environmentalists is over the top. The reason I asked you what you are doing personally was that you promote the views of climate change and I wanted to see if you were a typical Liberal who believes you should do as I say but not as I do. As for myself I use technology as best I can to reduce emissions. I bought a sectional control air cart last year, it reduced my fert usage by between 3-6% depending on the field. Interesting enough When I first put on GPS on the drill I found it reduced seeded acres by about 3-4%. Both my combine and 4wd have been programmed for power and efficiency(not chipped) and this has reduced fuel consumption on both by roughly 3 gallons per hour. As a farmer I always strive to be more efficient. I got custom made atom jet side high rate side band openers which put the fert roughly 3/8 inch deeper than the standard ones because I felt the fert was too shallow when seeding canola. But in reality I have family that wants to farm so always looking to expand and therefore I expect my personal carbon footprint to grow. Enjoy your day.

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 one more thing. In 2010 B.C.'s GHG emissions bottomed out at 59.816 million tonnes. Population was 4.466 million in 2010 which makes per capita emission 13.39 tonnes. I believe this low point was reached because of the economic recession in 08 and 09. Basically per capita output has stayed the same since 2010 with overall emissions rising with population growth.

[farmaholic]

Chuck2 one more thing. In 2010 B.C.'s GHG emissions bottomed out at 59.816 million tonnes. Population was 4.466 million in 2010 which makes per capita emission 13.39 tonnes. I believe this low point was reached because of the economic recession in 08 and 09. Basically per capita output has stayed the same since 2010 with overall emissions rising with population growth.

.....this will serve to control BC's carbon problem if it is if fact due to population growth. It can be seen as both carbon capture and emission control.

[Hamloc]

Chuck here is a list of taxes payed on a litre of gas in Vancouver. Translink tax 17 cents(going to 18.5 later this year), federal excise tax 10 cents, B.C. Carbon tax 8.8 cents, B.C. Prov. tax on fuel 8.6 cents, GST 7.6 cents for a total of 52 cents a litre. How can any researcher single out the carbon tax in this scenario as being responsible for lower gas consumption?!?!

[fjlip]

First off Chuck2 I am not a promoter of the climate change dogma such as we have 12 years to get off fossil fuels. I find the extreme level of rhetoric from environmentalists is over the top. The reason I asked you what you are doing personally was that you promote the views of climate change and I wanted to see if you were a typical Liberal who believes you should do as I say but not as I do. As for myself I use technology as best I can to reduce emissions. I bought a sectional control air cart last year, it reduced my fert usage by between 3-6% depending on the field. Interesting enough When I first put on GPS on the drill I found it reduced seeded acres by about 3-4%. Both my combine and 4wd have been programmed for power and efficiency(not chipped) and this has reduced fuel consumption on both by roughly 3 gallons per hour. As a farmer I always strive to be more efficient. I got custom made atom jet side high rate side band openers which put the fert roughly 3/8 inch deeper than the standard ones because I felt the fert was too shallow when seeding canola. But in reality I have family that wants to farm so always looking to expand and therefore I expect my personal carbon footprint to grow. Enjoy your day.

And what ever we individually do, HOW IS THAT EVER measured? Think about that...all just WILD ASS guesses...news flash we all met Paris targets! Nobody can prove otherwise!