often wonder

[grassfarmer]

Exactly how the Hutterites got where they are. Initially in WWI the Hutts and Quakers both refused to serve. After the rules were changed so objectors could serve in non-combat roles the Quakers showed extreme bravery as medics and stretcher beaters and died like flies. The Hutterites stayed home and made money hand over fist.

The Hutterites didn't move to Canada until 1918 and they moved with the assurance of military exemption.

[blackpowder]

A few hutts actually died in US military prisons during First War.

[dalek]

That's a little unfair. While it's true pacifists don't fight for their country in a time of war they equally don't cause wars. If everyone were pacifist there would be no wars. It certainly causes friction when you have pacifists living amongst non-pacifists - in Scotland we had a farm family that were conscientious objectors and during/after WW1 they expanded greatly by marrying into farms where the sons were away or never returned from war. It's taken a couple of generations for that stigma to wear off.

Exactly how the Hutterites got where they are. Initially in WWI the Hutts and Quakers both refused to serve. After the rules were changed so objectors could serve in non-combat roles the Quakers showed extreme bravery as medics and stretcher beaters and died like flies. The Hutterites stayed home and made money hand over fist.

[blackpowder]

The human animal when stressed will act on impulses as old as life itself.

The rest is buffalo chips.

[grassfarmer]

Agree. for all the mennonites, and huts and others that refused to fight in ww2, we would all be speaking german. They basically let others fight their wars, while the preach peace.

That's a little unfair. While it's true pacifists don't fight for their country in a time of war they equally don't cause wars. If everyone were pacifist there would be no wars. It certainly causes friction when you have pacifists living amongst non-pacifists - in Scotland we had a farm family that were conscientious objectors and during/after WW1 they expanded greatly by marrying into farms where the sons were away or never returned from war. It's taken a couple of generations for that stigma to wear off.

[MBgrower]

Pacifism only works if someone is willing to protect you and allow such beliefs.

Everyone being a pacifist makes it real easy pickings for motivated guys like Hitler and Stalin.

If shit ever hit the fan in North America, you'd see the pacifists cut and run real quick, just like they always have.

Agree. for all the mennonites, and huts and others that refused to fight in ww2, we would all be speaking german. They basically let others fight their wars, while the preach peace.

[malleefarmer]

[QUOTE=15444;408672]Pacifism only works if someone is willing to protect you and allow such beliefs.



yeah 15444 its wishful thinking on my part.

[15444]

Pacifism only works if someone is willing to protect you and allow such beliefs.

Everyone being a pacifist makes it real easy pickings for motivated guys like Hitler and Stalin.

If shit ever hit the fan in North America, you'd see the pacifists cut and run real quick, just like they always have.

[malleefarmer]

The Amish of course are pacifists, as are their religious cousins the Mennonites and Hutterites. While that doesn't earn them any popularity while living among peoples that aren't pacifists in an ideal world perhaps if everyone were pacifists it would be a better place.

Guess, not that i know, theres still still some sort of pecking order amongst pacifists and they may even have there occasional blue.

Sat next to 2 Mennonites on a flight from denver to calgary, what a lovely well spoken young lady maybe 17 or 18 and he dad along side her. Then they all took turns sitting next to me chatting about farming and australia. If my memory serves me correctly they were from rural kansas.

But sad world when ya cant go to church without fear of something happening, or school in america or a music concert. Nutters on all sides.

[grassfarmer]

Amish are non violent maybe the world should take note of there beliefs.

The Amish of course are pacifists, as are their religious cousins the Mennonites and Hutterites. While that doesn't earn them any popularity while living among peoples that aren't pacifists in an ideal world perhaps if everyone were pacifists it would be a better place.