Scheer leaves himself open to claims he’s in cahoots with Big Oil

[bucket]

For everyone worried about cleaning up the abandoned wells in Western canada and no fund available....What is the fund at for the solar panels that will have to be disposed of eventually?????

No sense in bitching about what one industry forgot to do....while the envirowhackos do the exact same thing....

And for the record I think oilcos should be the ones cleaning the wells up...Even if they have to take the CEOs house to do it...

[oneoff]

So are you guys are in favour of having taxpayers pay for the cleanup costs for abandoned and orphaned wells? No response seems to indicate you are in favour of subsidizing the oil industry.

And that is a valid question too. BUT, But, But for instance

Lets be fair and ask what responsibilities the mineral owners might also have in the current necessity for a viable fossil fuel industry.

You want worldwide trade access and marketing and travel; whilst doing away with coal; phasing out oil and gas energy sources; then show the plan for powering ships; pulling tillage equipment; mining rare earth elements and manufacturing energy intensive aluminum and glass to fill quarter sections; while questioning even utilizing animals for food or potential energy and power.
Last time I checked; there were no "off the shelf", viable, affordable; large enough scale; suitable for most variable conditions etc.....alternatives to what has been invested in; not nearly depreciated or due for replacement. I think of present rolling stock, infrastructure, airplanes or other transportation equipment. Well at least not what anyone would be nearly as suitable, proven workable and direct replacement for present production, processing, manufacturing, distribution etc.

My guess is that there has not been nearly enough common sense applied to wholesale changing over to any replacement; whilst hastily scapping and permanently idling a hundred years of innovation with that which will soon be seen to have its own substantial drawbacks.
We are all being fed a very specific agenda that must be seriously questioned. Sometimes there is literally no going back once a bad idea has been swallowed.

Also not every bright idea is a good idea. Recent failures that come to mind include.....small scale wind generation in Sask (as of about last week or so according to SaskPower grid interconnection applications) which actually happened about 4 years ago on a world wide scale; CNG in Sask (eg. Regina transit system ) obviously has no CNG buses or paratransit vehicles because as of last fall the only Regina fuel station for CNG was sold at auction; and then there is the flex fuel vehicle failure that the vast majority of new vehicle owners never put one tankful of E85 fuel into (and the number of high ethanol pumps anywhere within a couple hundred miles could be counted on amputated fingers);and even the DEF solution which is problematic to say the least; and the carbon tax will surely double the cost of natural gas for heating within the next 3 years (based on the current approx $2.65/1000cu.ft gas cost plus a buck for the carbon at $0.0391/m3...and we're at $20.00/tonne CO2 and will be 2.5 times that within next 3 years wherein the carbon tax will be roughly the same as today's actual cost of the natural gas that kinda works great for those who have access to the existing natural gas infrastructure.

There's a pretty close connection to the oil and gas industry and your home comfort. Not to mention the myriad of interconnections of fossil fuels to every imaginable product that EVERYONE would surel miss. Maybe even depend on in a lot of instances

So lets just kill the oil industry. A lot like cutting your nose off to spite the rest of your face. Slow and stupid and dumb thinking.

And no I didn't say that large scale 250 foot tall windmills located in areas with the right surface features and strong wind potential (and properly constructed) don't have real energy producing potential. Neither did I say that those large scale wind energy sources will necessarily have few, if any drawbacks which typically are ignored by their strongest promoters.

[furrowtickler]

Chuck , you buddies in Ottawa still support this b/S ...

So chuck you and your liberal buddies want to point fingers at others ??? Lol

[Guest]

One simple question Chuck2, could you go out and operate your farm today and plant your crop without fossil fuels or fossil fuel related products?

Farm ? What farm ?

[Guest]

For everyone worried about cleaning up the abandoned wells in Western canada and no fund available....What is the fund at for the solar panels that will have to be disposed of eventually?????

No sense in bitching about what one industry forgot to do....while the envirowhackos do the exact same thing....

And for the record I think oilcos should be the ones cleaning the wells up...Even if they have to take the CEOs house to do it...

Right on

[jazz]

You seriously gonna quote an article from that socialist Marxist rag the Tyee? WTF do they know about the oil business.

Do you know what a swing market is? Look that up and then you will understand transmountain.

Pipelines and tanks are not stranded assets. They can be repurposed. Probably one day you will see water going down some of them.

[jazz]

Three and a Half Days

[chuckChuck]

We are all absolutely dependent on fossil energy and the jobs and lifestyle that go with it. But that shouldn't stop us from thinking about and planning for a future with less.

This will be a long transition that will go on past our lifetimes and that of our children and our grandchildren.

Endless growth, resource depletion and degradation of the environment are not an option for a finite world.

We already have a lot of the technology and ability to reduce fossil energy use through increased efficiency, better design of buildings and cities and many sources of renewable and cleaner energy. We are not currently using all these options at their full potential for various reasons.

Many posters on this site are resistant if not hostile to change. But change has and will occur regardless of the which politicians are in charge.

Look back a 150 years and consider all the dramatic and incremental changes that occured and how little we knew about what the future would bring and how we would live and work in 2020. All the way From hand and animal power to DOT Autonomous Farm Technology and GPS.

I am sure that along the way there were a lot of people who didn't like the changes, lost their jobs, couldn't afford the new technology and said the new technology would never work.

[jazz]

Keep learning chuck. There is only one energy capable of the transition you desire.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/columnists/tomlinson/article/Oil-industry-s-future-not-as-bright-as-13579097.php

"A key wild card that flummoxes analysts with surprising frequency is consumer behavior.

Consumers ultimately decide long-term prices by how much they demand, and to be honest, few of them love the oil industry. Analysts have consistently underestimated the adoption of alternatives to oil and natural gas, particularly renewable energy and electric vehicles.

The EIA predicts, for example, that electric, hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles will only make up 8 percent of new-vehicle sales in 2025. Sales will rise to just 25 percent of the market share in 2050. If this is true, the oil and gas industry has nothing to worry about.

On HoustonChronicle.com: Tesla and oil companies lose market share as luxury brands roll out electric cars

Auto manufacturers, though, tell a different story. From GM to Ford, from Volkswagen to Daimler, from Toyota to Nissan, these companies expect electric vehicles to surpass liquid-fueled vehicles by 2030. The main reason is China and the eight other nations that plan to ban internal combustion engines by 2050.

There is also the question of economics. The cost of electric vehicles is plummeting, and most analysts believe they will be cheaper than regular cars by 2025. The next generation of electric vehicles will be as transformative to the energy industry as the shale revolution.

Bloomberg New Energy Finance, which also makes predictions, expects electric vehicles will make up 64 percent of the new-vehicle market by 2040.

Shell, BP and Chevron seem to think so, too. The first three have already invested in electric car charging businesses, and Exxon Mobil is considering a similar investment, according to a report by The Atlantic Council.

Smart oil and natural gas executives understand the risk electric vehicles pose to their fossil fuel businesses, which is why they are keeping costs low to make a profit at $50 crude. If they allow prices to rise, electric vehicles will become cost-competitive sooner."

[chuckChuck]

Jazz, I am in agreement that renewables currently can't save the planet. But predicting what mix of diverse energy sources we will be using in 25, 50, 100, or 500 years from now is a impossible to know. Because there are too many unknown factors that will affect our choices.

Based on the concern about human caused climate change and the worldwide push for reduced carbon emissions I wouldn't bet on fossil fuels playing the same role as they do now.

BP, Shell and Chevron are investing in electric car charging systems. Do you think they are doing it because they want a greener world? Why would Ford be building an all electric F150 if they thought gas and diesel were the only ways to power vehicles?

[chuckChuck]

Before everyone has a hissy fit I am well aware of the intermittent nature and the current limitations of solar energy but here are some facts to consider:

What is the Potential of Solar Energy?

174 petawatts (PW) of energy comes in form of solar radiation (or insolation) hits our atmosphere. Almost one third of this is reflected back into space. The rest, 3 850 000 exajoules (EJ) every year, is absorbed by the atmosphere, clouds, oceans and land – one hour of insolation is the equivalent to more than the world’s energy consumption for an entire year. Solar energy is by far the largest energy resource on the Earth.

(Petawatt is a power measurement unit. Petawatt (PW) is a derived metric measurement unit of power. The petawatt is equal to one billion millions watts 1 petawatt = 1 341 022 090 000 horsepower. https://www.aqua-calc.com/what-is/power/petawatt)

Here are some other interesting comparisons to help make you grasp the massive potential of solar energy:

One year’s worth of solar energy reaching the surface of the Earth would be twice the amount of all non-renewable resources, including fossil fuels and nuclear uranium.
The solar energy that hits the Earth every second is equivalent to 4 trillion 100-watt light bulbs.
The solar energy that hits one square mile in a year is equivalent to 4 million barrels of oil.