Scheer leaves himself open to claims he’s in cahoots with Big Oil

[chuckChuck]

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/facts/energy-economy/20062

[beaverdam]

chump chump, why don't you post that same info for 2013 ? or 2012 ? or 2011 ?
Posting info from when the industry has already been hammered down from the Turd's policies means nothing.
You are a propogandist !

[Hamloc]

In 2018 according to TradingEconomics Canada's main exports were:"energy products 19%, motor vehicles and parts 15%, consumer goods 11%, metal and non-metallic mineral products 11%, forestry products and building and packaging materials 8%, farm, fishing and intermediate food products 7%, industrial machinery, equipment and parts 7% and basic and industrial chemical, plastic and rubber parts 6%." So it is clear oil is Canada's largest export.

[Hamloc]

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https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/facts/energy-economy/20062

One simple question Chuck2, could you go out and operate your farm today and plant your crop without fossil fuels or fossil fuel related products?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

One simple question Chuck2, could you go out and operate your farm today and plant your crop without fossil fuels or fossil fuel related products?

Or even spread his propaganda using a computer built using fossil fuels, powered by fossil fuel, over internet enabled, powered and built using fossil fuels.

But, Chuck, in case you are feeling unappreciated for your disproportionately large contributions to Agriville ( and evidently doing so voluntarily out of the goodness of your heart), a thread like this reminded me to thank you for continuing to spread your message. For those of us too busy being productive members of society to have time to watch CBC, or read left wing media, or regularly associate with the extreme left social scene, we do appreciate your taking the time to condense it down and share what they are thinking, plotting and doing. it is always informative, interesting and scary to learn how your type thinks. Please continue to enlighten us, and don't be scared away by the constant negative feedback you might receive.

[furrowtickler]

Chuck , you buddies in Ottawa still support this b/S ...

[bucket]

For everyone worried about cleaning up the abandoned wells in Western canada and no fund available....What is the fund at for the solar panels that will have to be disposed of eventually?????

No sense in bitching about what one industry forgot to do....while the envirowhackos do the exact same thing....

And for the record I think oilcos should be the ones cleaning the wells up...Even if they have to take the CEOs house to do it...

[oneoff]

So are you guys are in favour of having taxpayers pay for the cleanup costs for abandoned and orphaned wells? No response seems to indicate you are in favour of subsidizing the oil industry.

And that is a valid question too. BUT, But, But for instance

Lets be fair and ask what responsibilities the mineral owners might also have in the current necessity for a viable fossil fuel industry.

You want worldwide trade access and marketing and travel; whilst doing away with coal; phasing out oil and gas energy sources; then show the plan for powering ships; pulling tillage equipment; mining rare earth elements and manufacturing energy intensive aluminum and glass to fill quarter sections; while questioning even utilizing animals for food or potential energy and power.
Last time I checked; there were no "off the shelf", viable, affordable; large enough scale; suitable for most variable conditions etc.....alternatives to what has been invested in; not nearly depreciated or due for replacement. I think of present rolling stock, infrastructure, airplanes or other transportation equipment. Well at least not what anyone would be nearly as suitable, proven workable and direct replacement for present production, processing, manufacturing, distribution etc.

My guess is that there has not been nearly enough common sense applied to wholesale changing over to any replacement; whilst hastily scapping and permanently idling a hundred years of innovation with that which will soon be seen to have its own substantial drawbacks.
We are all being fed a very specific agenda that must be seriously questioned. Sometimes there is literally no going back once a bad idea has been swallowed.

Also not every bright idea is a good idea. Recent failures that come to mind include.....small scale wind generation in Sask (as of about last week or so according to SaskPower grid interconnection applications) which actually happened about 4 years ago on a world wide scale; CNG in Sask (eg. Regina transit system ) obviously has no CNG buses or paratransit vehicles because as of last fall the only Regina fuel station for CNG was sold at auction; and then there is the flex fuel vehicle failure that the vast majority of new vehicle owners never put one tankful of E85 fuel into (and the number of high ethanol pumps anywhere within a couple hundred miles could be counted on amputated fingers);and even the DEF solution which is problematic to say the least; and the carbon tax will surely double the cost of natural gas for heating within the next 3 years (based on the current approx $2.65/1000cu.ft gas cost plus a buck for the carbon at $0.0391/m3...and we're at $20.00/tonne CO2 and will be 2.5 times that within next 3 years wherein the carbon tax will be roughly the same as today's actual cost of the natural gas that kinda works great for those who have access to the existing natural gas infrastructure.

There's a pretty close connection to the oil and gas industry and your home comfort. Not to mention the myriad of interconnections of fossil fuels to every imaginable product that EVERYONE would surel miss. Maybe even depend on in a lot of instances

So lets just kill the oil industry. A lot like cutting your nose off to spite the rest of your face. Slow and stupid and dumb thinking.

And no I didn't say that large scale 250 foot tall windmills located in areas with the right surface features and strong wind potential (and properly constructed) don't have real energy producing potential. Neither did I say that those large scale wind energy sources will necessarily have few, if any drawbacks which typically are ignored by their strongest promoters.

[furrowtickler]

Chuck , you buddies in Ottawa still support this b/S ...

So chuck you and your liberal buddies want to point fingers at others ??? Lol

[Guest]

One simple question Chuck2, could you go out and operate your farm today and plant your crop without fossil fuels or fossil fuel related products?

Farm ? What farm ?

[Guest]

For everyone worried about cleaning up the abandoned wells in Western canada and no fund available....What is the fund at for the solar panels that will have to be disposed of eventually?????

No sense in bitching about what one industry forgot to do....while the envirowhackos do the exact same thing....

And for the record I think oilcos should be the ones cleaning the wells up...Even if they have to take the CEOs house to do it...

Right on

[jazz]

You seriously gonna quote an article from that socialist Marxist rag the Tyee? WTF do they know about the oil business.

Do you know what a swing market is? Look that up and then you will understand transmountain.

Pipelines and tanks are not stranded assets. They can be repurposed. Probably one day you will see water going down some of them.

[jazz]

Three and a Half Days

[chuckChuck]

We are all absolutely dependent on fossil energy and the jobs and lifestyle that go with it. But that shouldn't stop us from thinking about and planning for a future with less.

This will be a long transition that will go on past our lifetimes and that of our children and our grandchildren.

Endless growth, resource depletion and degradation of the environment are not an option for a finite world.

We already have a lot of the technology and ability to reduce fossil energy use through increased efficiency, better design of buildings and cities and many sources of renewable and cleaner energy. We are not currently using all these options at their full potential for various reasons.

Many posters on this site are resistant if not hostile to change. But change has and will occur regardless of the which politicians are in charge.

Look back a 150 years and consider all the dramatic and incremental changes that occured and how little we knew about what the future would bring and how we would live and work in 2020. All the way From hand and animal power to DOT Autonomous Farm Technology and GPS.

I am sure that along the way there were a lot of people who didn't like the changes, lost their jobs, couldn't afford the new technology and said the new technology would never work.

[jazz]

Keep learning chuck. There is only one energy capable of the transition you desire.