Farm support. Let’s hear some ideas?

[helmsdale]

Let new farmers start at their father's coverage levels rather than the paltry area average... I cannot get coverage @ 80% as a new entrant thats even equal to the old man who takes 60%.

Went with private because I had 5 years of books to prove what I'm capable of... twice the coverage, for less than AFSC 80% coverage. And no bloody government subsidy on the private end. I think the "voucher" idea floated might not be a bad idea as well.

That said... private insurance is competitive right now as it is *for me anyway*, so there really wouldn't be much incentive for them to lower their rates unless AFSC was to make a leaner more efficient insurance system that they would have to lower to compete with.

If they're already competitive, a voucher system would likely only be a subsidy to them, rather than us.

[15444]

Eliminate all support programs and keep government involvement to a bare minimum. That includes eliminating traceability in livestock and making crop insurance/risk management programs 100% private. Also want taxes at minimum. No tax on any fuel for any person, whether they farm or not. I'll gladly pay my annual $10,000 private health insurance premium if income taxes are completely eliminated. I'd love to make as much money as I want and not worry about the Feds reaching for it.

Yes, I am free-market capitalist through and through. It's these socialist scum that I have to compete with that **** everything up. Put everyone on an even playing field and let the cream rise to the top based on solid business sense. Those that don't make it will either have to become criminals or off themselves, because there is no welfare in my version either.

[tweety]

Eliminate all support programs and keep government involvement to a bare minimum. That includes eliminating traceability in livestock and making crop insurance/risk management programs 100% private. Also want taxes at minimum. No tax on any fuel for any person, whether they farm or not. I'll gladly pay my annual $10,000 private health insurance premium if income taxes are completely eliminated. I'd love to make as much money as I want and not worry about the Feds reaching for it.

Yes, I am free-market capitalist through and through. It's these socialist scum that I have to compete with that **** everything up. Put everyone on an even playing field and let the cream rise to the top based on solid business sense. Those that don't make it will either have to become criminals or off themselves, because there is no welfare in my version either.

Careful, they are going to kick you out of whiney Socialville.

[furrowtickler]

Eliminate all support programs and keep government involvement to a bare minimum. That includes eliminating traceability in livestock and making crop insurance/risk management programs 100% private. Also want taxes at minimum. No tax on any fuel for any person, whether they farm or not. I'll gladly pay my annual $10,000 private health insurance premium if income taxes are completely eliminated. I'd love to make as much money as I want and not worry about the Feds reaching for it.

Yes, I am free-market capitalist through and through. It's these socialist scum that I have to compete with that **** everything up. Put everyone on an even playing field and let the cream rise to the top based on solid business sense. Those that don't make it will either have to become criminals or off themselves, because there is no welfare in my version either.

Poor chuck and a few others are going to have there feelings hurt when they read this 👍 lol

[the big wheel]

Eliminate all support programs and keep government involvement to a bare minimum. That includes eliminating traceability in livestock and making crop insurance/risk management programs 100% private. Also want taxes at minimum. No tax on any fuel for any person, whether they farm or not. I'll gladly pay my annual $10,000 private health insurance premium if income taxes are completely eliminated. I'd love to make as much money as I want and not worry about the Feds reaching for it.

Yes, I am free-market capitalist through and through. It's these socialist scum that I have to compete with that **** everything up. Put everyone on an even playing field and let the cream rise to the top based on solid business sense. Those that don't make it will either have to become criminals or off themselves, because there is no welfare in my version either.

That’s a nice thought but very stupid if all other countries we compete with support their farmers.
Every other industry is being supported to the hilt and even our industry the top levels get the support yes if everyone went on their own fine let’s compete but what happens when you get 3 or 4 years drought or flood in a row? Just let everyone sink? I guess so since that’s basically what the sask party and liberals and conservatives have done to the programs.

What subsidies to farmers are you talking about? That 5% pst on everything we buy more than kills off any little incentive there is.

[tweety]

That’s a nice thought but very stupid if all other countries we compete with support their farmers.
Every other industry is being supported to the hilt and even our industry the top levels get the support yes if everyone went on their own fine let’s compete but what happens when you get 3 or 4 years drought or flood in a row? Just let everyone sink? I guess so since that’s basically what the sask party and liberals and conservatives have done to the programs.

What subsidies to farmers are you talking about? That 5% pst on everything we buy more than kills off any little incentive there is.

Does a farmer actually get to pocket a subsidy? It just disappears as expenses rise greater then the subsidy ever was. In turn, risk goes even higher as the numbers climb and the farmer is worse off.

[ajl]

Eliminate all support programs and keep government involvement to a bare minimum. That includes eliminating traceability in livestock and making crop insurance/risk management programs 100% private. Also want taxes at minimum. No tax on any fuel for any person, whether they farm or not. I'll gladly pay my annual $10,000 private health insurance premium if income taxes are completely eliminated. I'd love to make as much money as I want and not worry about the Feds reaching for it.

Yes, I am free-market capitalist through and through. It's these socialist scum that I have to compete with that **** everything up. Put everyone on an even playing field and let the cream rise to the top based on solid business sense. Those that don't make it will either have to become criminals or off themselves, because there is no welfare in my version either.

How about eliminating central banking and money printing? Asset inflation is how the almost every body who is wealthy became wealthy. Government money printing transfers wealth from saver to debtor. Biggest wealth transfer in all of history and how the overwhelming majority of farm operations today got built.

[farmaholic]

My concern is losing a bunch of young farmers if things get real bad. They already can't afford to buy the most important asset needed to farm. Ground level entry is almost impossible. Land hardly pays for itself let alone machinery or a living wage to help raise a family. Oh but get a good high paying winter job and subsidize the ****ing thing AND live off the wife's professional salary....ya, just forget it!

Or rent land that an investor bought, they made a down payment and in essence the tennent is making the mortgage payments....it's happening right beside me. Smart investor stupid farmer....but my cousin has 8000 acres, I have to have 8001!!!!! Why make it worth their(invedtors) while? You get the risk of producing the crop and buying/leasing depreciating machinery and the landlord gets the asset! ....there better be something to show for the risk and effort the tennent is taking on. Is it time to take some risk off the table? Let the landlord farm it himself

[helmsdale]

My concern is losing a bunch of young farmers if things get real bad. They already can't afford to buy the most important asset needed to farm. Ground level entry is almost impossible. Land hardly pays for itself let alone machinery or a living wage to help raise a family. Oh but get a good high paying winter job and subsidize the ****ing thing AND live off the wife's professional salary....ya, just forget it!

Or rent land that an investor bought, they made a down payment and in essence the tennent is making the mortgage payments....it's happening right beside me. Smart investor stupid farmer....but my cousin has 8000 acres, I have to have 8001!!!!! Why make it worth their(invedtors) while? You get the risk of producing the crop and buying/leasing depreciating machinery and the landlord gets the asset! ....there better be something to show for the risk and effort the tennent is taking on. Is it time to take some risk off the table? Let the landlord farm it himself

A wiser man than me once said, "focus on getting better, and bigger will take care if itself." We're in a bizarro world where everyone has convinced themselves that they need to focus on getting bigger, and better will take care of itself...

[Rareearth]

Just wondering,
What would happen if rail freight rates doubled?

If ocean freight rates doubled?

[Rareearth]

Is it possible to put collars on cattle to get fence grazing areas?

They have them form dogs

[bucket]

Is it possible to put collars on cattle to get fence grazing areas?

They have them form dogs

Its in development....just recently read an article on it...