Liberal Bills

[blackpowder]

Justin has said years ago, the problem with Canada is Alberta. The best leaders come from Quebec.
We allowed this to happen.
We should all pay into a fund for a social media war. Works for Greenpeace

[sumdumguy]

Financial Post calls JT “anus horribilis”. One of those was not enough.

[grassfarmer]

.....If Kenny annpunced intention to seperate, the population in this country would balance pretty quickly. I bet a couple million people would move west pretty fast.

Only those who are capable of performing basic math......

Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.

[Hamloc]

Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.

Interesting Grassfarmer, you come from a country with a population of just over 5 million and has its own desires of independence. I will grant you that Scotland is not landlocked like western Canada. I do agree that there is a good portion of residents in BC who look at the world somewhat differently than the majority of residents in the praire provinces. Having said that I see little value coming to Alberta from Ottawa! Ottawa is doing all it can to slow or eliminate growth in Alberta's energy sector, at some point this will become very clear to Albertan's. What baffles me the most is this moronic belief we can replace an innovative energy sector that exports its equipment and technology to the world with government subsidized imported chinese solar panels, this shows a true inability to do math!!! Enjoy your day.

[grassfarmer]

Interesting Grassfarmer, you come from a country with a population of just over 5 million and has its own desires of independence. I will grant you that Scotland is not landlocked like western Canada....

Independence would be a dumb idea in both places, hopefully sanity prevails in both and it never happens.

[Guest]

Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.

you might be surprised how population of the western republic would increase dramatically in the days following separation from this cancer ridden pus filled growth . people are sick of the corruption in quebec and those assholes running dictators for this fine country. i worked in quebec , years ago, drilling for natural gas , no less. theres a lot of good people there that are sick of the bullshit. and ontario, well you can see they have had their fill.

[jazz]

Haha grass, in that measly little 11 million people is the world 4th largest oil producer. Kuwait is its own country with the same pop as AB.

Economics matter note votes.

And did you notice that NWT signed onto that letter to skippy and MB? We are not landlocked.

[chuckChuck]

There is more to this countries economy than western resources and commodities. But the resource sector will still be an important part of our economy for a long time yet.

Its not being shut down, even though Harper signed a G7 agreement that Canada would stop using fossil energy by 2100.

Norway has strict environmental regulations, many electric cars, reduced carbon emissions, collects generous oil royalties and has a trillion dollars from their oil wealth invested in a heritage fund. Not too bad I would say. They are still capitalists.

But try to collect more royalties, strengthen environmental regulations and protect the environment in Canada and the world is going to end? The oil industry can't even clean up its own mess of abandoned and orphaned wells without whining and complaining.

Did everyone believe that the out of control unsustainable resource boom was going to last forever? Reasonable and thoughtful people know better.

Oil and gas have always been cyclical. Alberta has always had a boom and bust economy. Its the curse of the resource sector and aggravated by mismanagement.

[blackpowder]

However moot the conversation, I think it could fly.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.

Perhaps you haven't seen a map of North America, but after we join the US, we will not be land locked, most of the refineries that can process our oil are already there, and much of the infrastructure already in place, we already trade more with them than interprovincially. And their federal government has the tools to make things happen that are in the best interests of the country, and isn't afraid to use them. This east-west union we are in is not natural or logical and is destined to fail geographically. So, add our population to 327 million (legal) Americans, and the ROC is insignificant.

And by geographic area, the majority of BC residents are hard working, common sense people. If the lower mainland wants to remain an isolated island of socialist pot utopia, they are welcome to do so, while all the regions with resources leave them behind. See the 2011 election map, there is a very wide blue corridor to ocean front.


Here is 2007, note the blue in and around Vancouver as well


Just like most regions of Canada, the silent majority of the people of BC are not the ones agitating against economic development, they are too busy working hard and paying taxes.

But, go ahead and keep your head in the sand, and pretend the status quo will exist indefinitely.

[chuckChuck]

Go ahead and promote separation. It will be something for you to do when you are not too busy farming and researching when the next ice age is going to hit.

See if Kenney, Moe, Palister and Scheer will go for it in their next elections. I am sure it will be a big winner of an idea.

Many western Canadian politicians have made their political careers on blaming Liberals and Easterners for all their problems. Now is your chance to seize power while voters are angry about everything and everyone.

Doug Ford may want to join in too. Oh.....except his popularity is currently 20% lower than Kathleen Wynne's just before she lost the election. So Doug may want to be cautious.

Quebec's Francois Legault and his Conservative CAQ may join in separating too. Quebec is always pissed about something, especially being dominated by English Canada!

Whose left? PEI, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and BC. They might support separating in a big blue wave of discontentment that is happening out on the coasts.

They don't have as much oil but they are still pissed about the loss of the salmon and the codfish. Plus Alberta got all the easy oil and big money without trying real hard. God screwed up the geology and put most of the oil in Alberta instead of giving everyone an easy road to riches.

Plus all the Newfoundlanders can just stay in Alberta if they separate or have dual citizenship.

Newfoundlanders came late to confederation and they might just want to leave early with Alberta.

[furrowtickler]

Go ahead and promote separation. It will be something for you to do when you are not too busy farming and researching when the next ice age is going to hit.

See if Kenney, Moe, Palister and Scheer will go for it in their next elections. I am sure it will be a big winner of an idea.

Many western Canadian politicians have made their political careers on blaming Liberals and Easterners for all their problems. Now is your chance to seize power while voters are angry about everything and everyone.

Doug Ford may want to join in too. Oh.....except his popularity is currently 20% lower than Kathleen Wynne's just before she lost the election. So Doug may want to be cautious.

Quebec's Francois Legault and his Conservative CAQ may join in separating too. Quebec is always pissed about something, especially being dominated by English Canada!

Whose left? PEI, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and BC. They might support separating in a big blue wave of discontentment that is happening out on the coasts.

They don't have as much oil but they are still pissed about the loss of the salmon and the codfish. Plus Alberta got all the easy oil and big money without trying real hard. God screwed up the geology and put most of the oil in Alberta instead of giving everyone an easy road to riches.

Plus all the Newfoundlanders can just stay in Alberta if they separate or have dual citizenship.

Newfoundlanders came late to confederation and they might just want to leave early with Alberta.

There is as much oil in Sask as there is in Alberta . Not sure why you hate prosperity so much , but to be expected from an ex CWB hard core supporter. They hate to see others succeed lol , it’s in your DNA