AgriStability again

[Hopalong]

See proposals to revamp AgriStability or replace it with a new program.
Own farm experience has been mostly good with ability to maintain contribution margins.
Did not like having to repay after getting better grades and yields than first reported in year end inventories but agree it was necessary to maintain program integrity.
Let’s not be too hasty in throwing out a program that, at least for this farm, had value.

[farmaholic]

Maybe better than an across the board acreage payment where some that desperately need more get short changed and those that need none get some.

I still think the program had merit but was gutted. It has to be really bad to collect anything and the trigger is so low that when there is a possibility to collect, it isn't much!

[farmaholic]

Isn't the payment only 70% of 70% of your reference margin?

Do if the reference margin is 100K, they only start triggering a payment at 70K and only pay 70% of the shortfall.

So if you had a complete wipe out and the reference margin was 100K....you would receive 49K?

[jazz]

Its garbage. Not bankable, not responsive, too diluted based on past margins and too easy to manipulate with a good accountant. You need a program in the current year, enhanced crop insurance of some type that deals with the situation that you are in right now considering all factors, inputs, markets weather.

You need something where you can pay a premium to guarantee a positive margin.

[ajl]

Happy agri stab was gutted. If you have multiple years of poor weather than you don't have reference margins. Doesn't work for STO because of complexity. Others can get off farms jobs too. Don't need to pay taxes to fill competitors pockets. Would much rather see a revenue based crop insurance program. That way all can benefit regardless of farm size.

[the big wheel]

Isn't the payment only 70% of 70% of your reference margin?

Do if the reference margin is 100K, they only start triggering a payment at 70K and only pay 70% of the shortfall.

So if you had a complete wipe out and the reference margin was 100K....you would receive 49K?

And to get a payment you have to be insured by crop insurance at high coverage levels so what are your chances of getting more than crop insurance? It was built for the lentil producing area where staggering prices gave you a high margin that may end up giving you a payment if prices come down or if you do like many that have enough money to buy inputs for 2 years and put half in the shed then collect becaue your costs went up. Most corrupt incompetent program ever designed it’s a crop insurance audit that you hand to crop insurance. Why was it no good also to wait for the wheat board payment for a year especially in hard times and it’s ok to wait for this for a year or more and at least the wheat board you never had to pay back.

[Misterjade9]

A revenue based crop insurance program, what a novel idea. When our current MLA was running for the first time 6 years ago we had a meeting at the neighbors and he asked me what I would like to see from the government. My response was a insurance program based on individual revenue and to fix the **** up that our current premier created with his water drainage act, neither one has happened. The reason we will never have an individual based revenue program is because crop insurance is stuck in our socialist past, everyone must work within the same program. Newsflash, not every operation is the same or can it be. There is no appetite from the provincial government to make a better program because right now it is a money maker for them, remember insurance companies don't lose money, private or government run.

[farmaholic]

Go with GARS.

I know there's flaws in Agristability. Late response, small coverage, tied to crap insurance....another ****ed up program.

[jazz]

Go with GARS.

I know there's flaws in Agristability. Late response, small coverage, tied to crap insurance....another ****ed up program.

GARS is made for the giant boys and its foreign bank backed and scrutinizes your financials to death to disqualify you if you don't meet their moving targets. It could crash in a single season. I am not socialist but a program like that needs to be govt administered.

[bucket]

GARS is made for the giant boys and its foreign bank backed and scrutinizes your financials to death to disqualify you if you don't meet their moving targets. It could crash in a single season. I am not socialist but a program like that needs to be govt administered.

It will be when GARS hits the wall.....it will be getting a government handout sooner than primary producers......

[bucket]

Agristability isn't meant for guys that keep their herds and farms at the same size.....it can't work for them....it's for large farms that are growing where they have to recalculate margins every year....


It's a stupid program compared to the US where a farmer knows his options prior to planting a crop...and can get the info in his local town and talk to someone that understands the area.....

27 billion to the US farmer and a disaster program in the works. ...


What's happening in Canada ....plastic straw ban....

[sumdumguy]

The CAIS of 2004 worked the best. I worked at the program for twelve years. A margin reactive payment works, and has been a good tool in our boxes in the past - just not much good since it was harpooned.

[bucket]

The CAIS of 2004 worked the best. I worked at the program for twelve years. A margin reactive payment works, and has been a good tool in our boxes in the past - just not much good since it was harpooned.

There wasn't a premium to pay back then??????

[jazz]

The problem with support programs is that instead of farmers using them to prop up gross revenue, they sometimes use the funds for a downpayment on more dirt. Then the govt becomes an accomplice in the price of land rising.

what CAIS found out if there was an operation actively trying to avoid taxes that yr, prebuying, depreciation, deferments, it made them look like they were under margin so they got a big payout for nothing and proceeded to buy out the guys who were shaky.

That's part of the reason the govt now shies away from adhoc pmts.

[the big wheel]

Something right at the end of harvest it’s calculated it’s done move on. This bulls hit of adjusting as everything moves is retarted.
And then there are the crooks manipulating the books fudging expenses.
Fix up crop insurance get rid of 10 year yields or pick your top 5 for guarantee the idea is to see what your capeable of growing but it’s turned into something punishing you for years like this one with drought for 10 years your punished for the year of drought stays in your average.

Also on drought or flood years don’t make someone harvest a 10 bushel crop write off at zero conserve moisture keep the field clean move on.

There will be no program until you have support politically. The sask party and the ndp do not want to support farmers pure and simple. We re here to subsidize the oil industry. If we do get some program watch the pst go to 10 percent.