AgriStability again

[the big wheel]

Trouble I see with a guaranteed gross revenue idea is that the leeches that drain us know what the market will bear. We are kidding ourselves I we think they won’t stick their suckers deeper, and suck harder knowing we have a guaranteed gross.

This includes greedy landlords. There are guys areound who wanted a cut of the too wet to seed dollars, expected it, and in some cases got it. I know some guys lost land over this issue. Landlord wanted their cut, tenant said no, I don’t think so, and got kicked out.

Want to see chemical price increases? Get a gross revenue plan.

So sell for peanuts? When you have the cash you have options. When you don’t have cash nothing you can do about anything. Outsiders are still offering high values. This is about keeping family farms competitive and on the farm.

Should be stricter laws on patents and price fixing but your conservatives got rid of most of the protection for farmers then anyone has.

Your in a different world on your scale selling sheep to pay your inputs. That’s not the case for majority of others.

[farmaholic]

Who in there right mind would take this kind of risk? Maybe the fact there are insurance programs for what we do indicates the risk is too stoopid.

Inputs aren't always priced relative to how profitable you are on your farm, I think they may follow a farm sector profitability trend but what happens on the Slum of the Ghetto doesn't matter if it's contrary to the big picture.

Canola seed is a perfect example of non-discretionary pricing, growing canola in a typically dry area probably isn't as lucrative as growing it in a tradionally high moisture high yeild area, yet seed costs are the same.

If you didn't grow enough to cover expenses...that's your problem! Now how do you want to mitigate/reduce that risk?
Another case of "wouldn't it be nice if it didn't matter!"

[farmaholic]

Ok hopalong, just don't lob the shit grenade into the crowd and run. Or are you fishing for opinions to submit to some committee?

Someone post a drought map after this weekend's rain data can be included Before and after for comparison.

[tweety]

What a bunch of socialists, get rid of them all. It just distorts everything as risk is a good deterrent to keep things in check. Tax payer funded farm welfare programs for guaranteed income are just plain wrong.

[SASKFARMER]

I personally would like a decent improved crop insurance program and cancel all the other bullshit programs.

Like I stated many times.

When we were wiped out in 2002 with a very early August frost. I got a check in 2003 that did help the wipeout of 2002. Lots of guys decided to pack it in back then.

2004 comes along and nails our area again but this time the frost was worse and yield was down plus shitty grades.

2012 had to write two checks for well over a Hundred thousand because of an audit that my accountant said we got screwed in. You can't beat city hall. Since then pay the fee and don't give a shit. Haven't collected ever.

Its Gov officials paying out funds and make up rules, farmers can't win.

So have good improved crop insurance would be my bet.

All are equal it's based on your yields (Don't wipe out the 80s drought if you're not wiping out the 2000s flood years).

It's not socialist its a really easy system for a really easy problem. Let the BTOs do the others and see how long the program lasts.

Keep spending we will pay you if you have a wreck is a bullshit system. Let's see the checks boys from what was promised and what you actually got.

[bucket]

What a bunch of socialists, get rid of them all. It just distorts everything as risk is a good deterrent to keep things in check. Tax payer funded farm welfare programs for guaranteed income are just plain wrong.

What do you call 40 million to EVRAZ?

110 million to AGT?

3.9 billion to supply management???

5 million to Morris Industries???

How much wasn't reported during the GTH to landlords????

150 million to graincos for insurance from EDC...to protect their sales...none of that is coming to primary producers....

Cut out the rest of the welfare to other industries and lower taxes and then it makes sense....

[Sheepwheat]

Your in a different world on your scale selling sheep to pay your inputs. That’s not the case for majority of others.

Could you expound on this statement Please? You seem to think you know what world I am in. The wording you used there make me confident you have no idea what you are trying to say???

[sumdumguy]

Sheepwheat makes a good point about price creep of costs if a guaranteed revenue program was implemented. We all know that the risk is there for that outcome but as we know many of the chemicals and other inputs that we use are a lot cheaper across the line. If we could import cheaper inputs that would help. At any rate, how long can Canadian farmers compete without support in a world where American, European and many other farmers are financially supported?

As for the landlords who feel they are entitled to a share of unseeded acres payments, there probably are good arguments for a sharing formula. ( IMHO, and I am no landlord and have no opinion either way.)

When the Crow Benefit payment was paid out, there was a lot of “negotiating” between landlord and renter. Some renters wanted a portion of the payment and felt they deserved it and some landlords did share with their renters even though it was a capital payment to land owners. So just saying.

[Hopalong]

Have seen list of risk management program options on how governments could deal with unpopular AgriStability.
From own farm interest, retaining program pretty much as is might be most attractive one but it is not listed as an option.
Proposals for changes or a new program might please many who have responded on this thread but do not see any clear winning ones for own business.
Thanks to those who responded.

[the big wheel]

Sheepwheat makes a good point about price creep of costs if a guaranteed revenue program was implemented. We all know that the risk is there for that outcome but as we know many of the chemicals and other inputs that we use are a lot cheaper across the line. If we could import cheaper inputs that would help. At any rate, how long can Canadian farmers compete without support in a world where American, European and many other farmers are financially supported?

As for the landlords who feel they are entitled to a share of unseeded acres payments, there probably are good arguments for a sharing formula. ( IMHO, and I am no landlord and have no opinion either way.)

When the Crow Benefit payment was paid out, there was a lot of “negotiating” between landlord and renter. Some renters wanted a portion of the payment and felt they deserved it and some landlords did share with their renters even though it was a capital payment to land owners. So just saying.

That line is the government propaganda bullshit so they don’t have to do anything some. It that up just because it’s there favourite government saying it. Not understanding if you don’t have a dollar in your pocket or you have one which one gives you at least some option?

[tweety]

What do you call 40 million to EVRAZ?

110 million to AGT?

3.9 billion to supply management???

5 million to Morris Industries???

How much wasn't reported during the GTH to landlords????

150 million to graincos for insurance from EDC...to protect their sales...none of that is coming to primary producers....

Cut out the rest of the welfare to other industries and lower taxes and then it makes sense....

You get 15 bucks an acre, landlord takes 12 extra, seed grower takes extra 6, chem dealer extra 11, fert dealer extra 9, machinery dealer takes extra 13 - because they know you got 10. Your 15$ welfare payment becomes 51$ in the expense column.