Metals mines association, accounting for most federal enviro assessments, OK with Bil

[jazz]

There is no debating them AF. They already know that there is no low carbon economy coming, there is only a no economy if we cut oil, and thats the point, they know it cant be cut back nor can renewables ever replace it, its just an ever increasing regressive shame tax wealth transfer welfare scheme which will send money to their pockets. Even trudeau realized that when he greenlit TMX. He knows there is no solar plant or windmills that are ever going to put $50B into govt coffers to waste on vote buying. And now they can trot out some psudeoscience propaganda every few yrs to raise it when the sheep start bleating again.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Oil had its day its on the way out. Get in touch with the reality of what the rest of the world is doing they are leaving us behind our paid off representatives want to suck out the last dollars they can meanwhile everyone else moving forward.

Could you possibly post some examples of how successfully the rest of the world is weaning itself off of oil or fossil fuels and leaving us behind? The only place I have seen it happening is in the imagination of some very out of touch politicians making absurd promises for dates far exceeding their tenure.

[blackpowder]

I'm sure we'll all wake up one day to suddenly find there is no more oil and we have no alternative developed. Anarchy.

WTF has everyone been smoking this morning????
Separation, climate doom, Trump is the devil.......
Jesus, I've wasted 20 mins of my life reading this shite.
Wienerville on full retard today.
Half of you guys must live in Toronto.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Jazz, admittedly, there is no point in debating any ideologue, it sure is fun watching them repeatedly reveal how truly ignorant they actually are about something they profess to be so confident in.

[chuckChuck]

"Pierre Gratton, the president and CEO of the Mining Association of Canada, says the federal government's bill revamping the environmental assessment process for natural resources projects is an improvement over existing legislation. (Mining Association of Canada)

The head of the Mining Association of Canada says the hotly contested federal environmental assessment bill is welcome in the industry it will affect the most.

"This promises to be a better system than what we've had for the last seven years," said Pierre Gratton, the president of the association.

Bill C-69 overhauls Canada's environmental assessment regime for major national resource and transportation projects but the high-octane opposition from the oil and gas sector has drowned out much of the comment from other affected industries."

No comments from the peanut gallery on this? Yup its all about the oil industries opposition and not one peep about support from the mining association who sees the majority of the reviews!

The oil industry writes environmental policy in Alberta and Saskatchewan and you fossils go along with it. Moe and Kenney are nothing but oil industry puppets taking care of their rich friends!
They whine about a carbon tax, plan to impose their own version in regulations and carbon capture and then say nothing about the hundreds of billions in liability of abandoned, suspended and orphaned wells that taxpayers are going to pay to clean up. Totally irresponsible management of a one time finite resource and the environment!

[FarmJunkie]

This is all bullshit. Wasting time and energy on things we can’t change and never effected in the first place. Carbon dioxide is a good thing. Christ sakes people are gullible that believe it’s a pollutant. How the hell would we grow the crops we do if it wasn’t the way it is. U wanna fix problems. Start by not dumping garbage in the ocean or flushing our shit down the rivers. Their are companies that can help with these problems but our governments don’t really wanna fix any of this stuff they just want the tax dollars to piss away on the me too movement or human rights crap in some third world toilet that couldn’t give 2 shits about Canada or where it even is. And it don’t matter what political stripe u are they are all the same.

[Hamloc]

Taxes are used to pay for education, healthcare, infrastructure, roads, a justice system, social programs, OAS, GIS, the military, subsidies to agriculture............ the list is long.

Just because you don't believe there is climate change, or that carbon dioxide is a pollutant in excess if it changes the climate, doesn't make a carbon tax any different than all the other taxes you and I pay. It's one tool to fight climate change. Energy already has numerous taxes applied.

Scheer, Moe, and Kenney want to use regulations to reduce carbon emmisions (another form of tax) which also have costs that consumers and business will pay for.

Scheer, Moe, and Kenney want to do as little as possible and let taxpayers pay for the all the damage from climate change and the cost of mitigation.

Their goal is to protect the interests of the oil industry and socialize the costs of climate change. In effect privatize the profit and socialize the harmful effects!

Many people want all the benefits and protection of living in a developed country but don't want to pay for it. They are wannabe free riders.

So Chuck2 you apparently have a problem with reading comprehension. So 20% of C02 emission reductions are going to come from the carbon tax under the Liberal plan according to the environment minister, where do you think the other 80% is coming from? Very simple, regulation! So really whether you look at the Liberal or Conservative plan it will come down to regulation except I believe the Conservative plan includes tax incentives for implementing or creating so called green technology which sounds like a good idea to me. The Liberal's prefer giving money to their buddies like the Weston's! While I realize it is pointless to try and bring common sense into this discussion, at least I tried. Enjoy your day.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, has it occurred to you that there would be a lot less orphaned and abandoned wells if the companies that owned them didn't keep going bankrupt because we have no pipelines or infrastructure, and we keep adding layers and layers of regulations and bureaucracy on them while they are down?

[samhill]

Taxes are used to pay for education, healthcare, infrastructure, roads, a justice system, social programs, OAS, GIS, the military, subsidies to agriculture............ the list is long.

Chuck, carbon tax is used for 300 million to the Clinton foundation or x million to indigenous peoples or
X million or billion to the United Nations.

You kid your friends and I’ll kid mine, let’s not kid each other.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Could you possibly post some examples of how successfully the rest of the world is weaning itself off of oil or fossil fuels and leaving us behind? The only place I have seen it happening is in the imagination of some very out of touch politicians making absurd promises for dates far exceeding their tenure.

Your silence speaks volumes.

[chuckChuck]

You guys need to face the fact that the oil industry wants to do as little as possible to fight climate change or clean up the environmental damage they cause because it is bad for their bottom line. Everything they don't have to do is more profit. So they fight every measure to force them to cleanup big or small.

The oil industry made a lot of money during the boom and did not clean up any more of its mess during the high prices.

Just ask many Alberta and Saskatchewan land owners who are forced to accept the oil industries intrusion onto their private property how interested the oil industry is in listening to landowner concerns about H2S, gas flaring, water well contamination, soil degradation, salt water and oil spills.

Some of the oil companies are doing a better job on these issues but some are awful bullies who don't care and won't fix the basic problems.

The oil industries problems stem from lower world prices and a drop in demand from the US. Both issues are beyond the control of the Federal or Provincial governments. The bottleneck in transportation is making the problem worse. But a lot of oil is still being produced and getting to market. Maybe the industry should try to match supply with demand and infrastructure capacity?

Enbridge line 3 - 760K BPD replacement is being held up by Minnesota permits not Canadian issues.
Trudeau just approved Transmountain. The tanker ban is for northern BC coast not the southern coast. Trudeau is at risk because he is trying to support the oil industry while at the same time appeal to those who are worried about climate change. Scheer will have to do the same. Scheer believes in the science of human caused climate change as well. So that issue is not going away regardless of what you think.

Progress is slow on pipelines, but until the oil industry accepts that climate change is serious and real and starts investing in cleaner production and alternatives, the oil industry is going to get a rough ride.

The market for oil is going to start declining at some point as the whole world is going to transition to lower carbon future. Harper saw it coming by 2100. We will still have fossil energy during the transition to cleaner energy sources. Its not one or the other during the transition, its all forms of energy and the massive number of jobs that are created as we transition.

Alot of what comes from Moe and Kenney is just overheated political rhetoric in advance of the Federal election. Voters in Quebec and Ontario have very different concerns and don't really care about the oil industry and are more worried about flooding, climate change and their own industries and jobs.

Doug Ford is very unpopular in just over a year in power. He will likely not survive the next election and may drag Scheer down with him. So Moe and Kenney better be prepared to work with who ever is Prime Minister.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You guys need to face the fact that the oil industry wants to do as little as possible to fight climate change or clean up the environmental damage they cause because it is bad for their bottom line. Everything they don't have to do is more profit. So they fight every measure to force them to cleanup big or small.

The oil industry made a lot of money during the boom and did not clean up any more of its mess during the high prices.

Just ask many Alberta and Saskatchewan land owners who are forced to accept the oil industries intrusion onto their private property how interested the oil industry is in listening to landowner concerns about H2S, gas flaring, water well contamination, soil degradation, salt water and oil spills.

Some of the oil companies are doing a better job on these issues but some are awful bullies who don't care and won't fix the basic problems.

The oil industries problems stem from lower world prices and a drop in demand from the US. Both issues are beyond the control of the Federal or Provincial governments. The bottleneck in transportation is making the problem worse. But a lot of oil is still being produced and getting to market. Maybe the industry should try to match supply with demand and infrastructure capacity?

Enbridge line 3 - 760K BPD replacement is being held up by Minnesota permits not Canadian issues.
Trudeau just approved Transmountain. The tanker ban is for northern BC coast not the southern coast. Trudeau is at risk because he is trying to support the oil industry while at the same time appeal to those who are worried about climate change. Scheer will have to do the same. Scheer believes in the science of human caused climate change as well. So that issue is not going away regardless of what you think.

Progress is slow on pipelines, but until the oil industry accepts that climate change is serious and real and starts investing in cleaner production and alternatives, the oil industry is going to get a rough ride.

The market for oil is going to start declining at some point as the whole world is going to transition to lower carbon future. Harper saw it coming by 2100. We will still have fossil energy during the transition to cleaner energy sources. Its not one or the other during the transition, its all forms of energy and the massive number of jobs that are created as we transition.

Alot of what comes from Moe and Kenney is just overheated political rhetoric in advance of the Federal election. Voters in Quebec and Ontario have very different concerns and don't really care about the oil industry. Doug Ford is very unpopular in just over a year in power. He will likely not survive the next election and may drag Scheer down with him.

It is obvious you have come to your opinions without ever having dealt with an oil company or been involved with any of the concerns you brought up. There is no point in discussing this any further with someone as ignorant as yourself.