Metals mines association, accounting for most federal enviro assessments, OK with Bil

[the big wheel]

On the CBC national Thursday night Rosemary Barton was interviewing environment minister Catherine McKenna. Rosemary brings up that the Parliamentary Budget Office had released a report that the carbon tax would have to be $102 a tonne by 2030 for Canada to meet the targets it agreed to under the Paris accord. Rosemary asked the minister why the federal Liberal's had stated that they wouldn't raise it above the planned $50 a tonne and how Canada would meet its targets? Well the minister talked about the plastics ban and electric cars and then she said this(from memory) that the carbon tax was only going to get us 20% of the way to our targets anyway!!!! This to me is quite a revelation when on national television the environment minister who has recently announced the imposition of a federal carbon tax on Alberta as of Jan. 1,2020, because in her words there has to be a price on pollution says that the carbon tax will make such a small difference. So in reality it is just another useless tax!!!!!!

I agree the whole issue of pollution and global warming are 2 different things being stated as the same thing on purpose. we know pollution is something we don’t want so maybe if global warming is caused by pollution then we won’t want that either so we ll pay for it with a tax is the deception. And many have fallen for that bukkshit. Use the tax to bring along the other technologies to lessen pollution and it would have merit. As it is it’s a joke claiming to save our world when all it is a money grab.

[chuckChuck]

The price of oil and gasoline went very high during the boom and that was okay?

Not a peep from Conservatives leaders about how it was going to cost consumers and kill the economy. It cost my farm many extra thousands of dollars. Consumers were hit hard by higher prices. Gasoline prices often jump 5-10 cents a liter before holiday long weekends. But that's okay?

Put a small carbon tax of 4.5 - 11 cents cents a liter to encourage conservation and innovation and its the end of the world! Quite the double standard.

Brad Wall spends 1.2 billion dollars of taxpayers money on an expensive and unproven system for carbon capture and storage at Boundary that taxpayers and consumers will pay for. In essence a another form of a carbon tax and that's okay?

The Sask Party, UCP and the Conservatives have so many double standards it hard to keep up.

Moe and Kenney defend the oil industry but hardly a peep about the crisis in agriculture.

Moe doesn't want any agri recovery programs or enhancements to agri stability because that will cost the province hundreds of millions in costs sharing with the federal government. Farmers are going to get very little attention and the oil industry gets all the oxygen!

The oil industry are these governments priority. Everbody and everything else are not important.

[chuckChuck]

Taxes are used to pay for education, healthcare, infrastructure, roads, a justice system, social programs, OAS, GIS, the military, subsidies to agriculture............ the list is long.

Just because you don't believe there is climate change, or that carbon dioxide is a pollutant in excess if it changes the climate, doesn't make a carbon tax any different than all the other taxes you and I pay. It's one tool to fight climate change. Energy already has numerous taxes applied.

Scheer, Moe, and Kenney want to use regulations to reduce carbon emmisions (another form of tax) which also have costs that consumers and business will pay for.

Scheer, Moe, and Kenney want to do as little as possible and let taxpayers pay for the all the damage from climate change and the cost of mitigation.

Their goal is to protect the interests of the oil industry and socialize the costs of climate change. In effect privatize the profit and socialize the harmful effects!

Many people want all the benefits and protection of living in a developed country but don't want to pay for it. They are wannabe free riders.

[chuckChuck]

I agree the whole issue of pollution and global warming are 2 different things being stated as the same thing on purpose. we know pollution is something we don’t want so maybe if global warming is caused by pollution then we won’t want that either so we ll pay for it with a tax is the deception. And many have fallen for that bukkshit. Use the tax to bring along the other technologies to lessen pollution and it would have merit. As it is it’s a joke claiming to save our world when all it is a money grab.

Burning fossil fuels causes air pollution and release massive amounts of carbon dioxide.

Carbon dioxide in excess is a pollutant and unwanted byproduct of burning fossil fuels. The natural carbon cycle provides enough carbon dioxide to sustain life.

Releasing millions upon millions of tons of stored carbon annually into the atmosphere in addition to the natural carbon cycle is unsustainable.

Only a small number of ill informed idiots think you can keep burning massive amounts of fossil fuels for thousands of years and not cause massive changes to the climate. Harper said we we would stop using fossil energy by 2100 for this reason.

Water is essential to life just like Carbon dioxide. Excess water in the wrong place will damage your property, kill your crops and you.

[furrowtickler]

Burning fossil fuels causes air pollution and release massive amounts of carbon dioxide.

Carbon dioxide in excess is a pollutant and unwanted byproduct of burning fossil fuels. The natural carbon cycle provides enough carbon dioxide to sustain life.

Releasing millions upon millions of tons of stored carbon annually into the atmosphere in addition to the natural carbon cycle is unsustainable.

Only a small number of ill informed idiots think you can keep burning massive amounts of fossil fuels for thousands of years and not cause massive changes to the climate. Harper said we we would stop using fossil energy by 2100 for this reason.

Water is essential to life just like Carbon dioxide. Excess water in the wrong place will damage your property, kill your crops and you.

You are the climate cult leader ... lol

[fjlip]

All hail the infallible leader...

[jazz]

Interesting the people who support climate change and its BS also hate the oil patch. So basically the only reason they support the carbon tax is they beleive its a wealth distribution to their pocket from corportations. So envy and socialism again. nothing to do with climate change. Cant create socialism ditectly because its a death cult, so slip it in the back door.

[furrowtickler]

Interesting the people who support climate change and its BS also hate the oil patch. So basically the only reason they support the carbon tax is they beleive its a wealth distribution to their pocket from corportations. So envy and socialism again. nothing to do with climate change. Cant create socialism ditectly because its a death cult, so slip it in the back door.

That is 100% correct in every word 👍

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Burning fossil fuels causes air pollution and release massive amounts of carbon dioxide.

See, you are learning, pollution and CO2 are not the same thing, this is progress, well done, our efforts have not been in vain.

Carbon dioxide in excess is a pollutant and unwanted byproduct of burning fossil fuels. The natural carbon cycle provides enough carbon dioxide to sustain life.

One step forward, two steps back. But don't give up, it takes time to break old habits when something has been brainwashed into you for so long, just keep trying. And no, the natural carbon cycle is a sink, which was well on its way to taking CO2 to levels that will no longer support life.

Releasing millions upon millions of tons of stored carbon annually into the atmosphere in addition to the natural carbon cycle is unsustainable.

Absolutely, and on this issue we both agree. We are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere at highly unsustainable rates, and given the short residence time, there will be little easy stored beneficial CO2 left for future generations to release, to maintain crop yields and the greening of the planet. Any other source of CO2 such as limestone will require massive amounts of energy to liberate, to maintain our standards of living, at a time when energy will be in very short supply.

Only a small number of ill informed idiots think you can keep burning massive amounts of fossil fuels for thousands of years and not cause massive changes to the climate. Harper said we we would stop using fossil energy by 2100 for this reason.

Exactly, because at current rates of growth, only an idiot would think that we have enough economically accessible fossil fuels to last for thousands of years. Case in point...

Water is essential to life just like Carbon dioxide. Excess water in the wrong place will damage your property, kill your crops and you.

And I've asked you before, ( and provided the answer) at what level does CO2 become excessive enough that the detriments outweigh the benefits, and how practical is it that we could achieve such lofty levels?

[jazz]

There is no debating them AF. They already know that there is no low carbon economy coming, there is only a no economy if we cut oil, and thats the point, they know it cant be cut back nor can renewables ever replace it, its just an ever increasing regressive shame tax wealth transfer welfare scheme which will send money to their pockets. Even trudeau realized that when he greenlit TMX. He knows there is no solar plant or windmills that are ever going to put $50B into govt coffers to waste on vote buying. And now they can trot out some psudeoscience propaganda every few yrs to raise it when the sheep start bleating again.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Oil had its day its on the way out. Get in touch with the reality of what the rest of the world is doing they are leaving us behind our paid off representatives want to suck out the last dollars they can meanwhile everyone else moving forward.

Could you possibly post some examples of how successfully the rest of the world is weaning itself off of oil or fossil fuels and leaving us behind? The only place I have seen it happening is in the imagination of some very out of touch politicians making absurd promises for dates far exceeding their tenure.

[blackpowder]

I'm sure we'll all wake up one day to suddenly find there is no more oil and we have no alternative developed. Anarchy.

WTF has everyone been smoking this morning????
Separation, climate doom, Trump is the devil.......
Jesus, I've wasted 20 mins of my life reading this shite.
Wienerville on full retard today.
Half of you guys must live in Toronto.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Jazz, admittedly, there is no point in debating any ideologue, it sure is fun watching them repeatedly reveal how truly ignorant they actually are about something they profess to be so confident in.

[chuckChuck]

"Pierre Gratton, the president and CEO of the Mining Association of Canada, says the federal government's bill revamping the environmental assessment process for natural resources projects is an improvement over existing legislation. (Mining Association of Canada)

The head of the Mining Association of Canada says the hotly contested federal environmental assessment bill is welcome in the industry it will affect the most.

"This promises to be a better system than what we've had for the last seven years," said Pierre Gratton, the president of the association.

Bill C-69 overhauls Canada's environmental assessment regime for major national resource and transportation projects but the high-octane opposition from the oil and gas sector has drowned out much of the comment from other affected industries."

No comments from the peanut gallery on this? Yup its all about the oil industries opposition and not one peep about support from the mining association who sees the majority of the reviews!

The oil industry writes environmental policy in Alberta and Saskatchewan and you fossils go along with it. Moe and Kenney are nothing but oil industry puppets taking care of their rich friends!
They whine about a carbon tax, plan to impose their own version in regulations and carbon capture and then say nothing about the hundreds of billions in liability of abandoned, suspended and orphaned wells that taxpayers are going to pay to clean up. Totally irresponsible management of a one time finite resource and the environment!

[FarmJunkie]

This is all bullshit. Wasting time and energy on things we can’t change and never effected in the first place. Carbon dioxide is a good thing. Christ sakes people are gullible that believe it’s a pollutant. How the hell would we grow the crops we do if it wasn’t the way it is. U wanna fix problems. Start by not dumping garbage in the ocean or flushing our shit down the rivers. Their are companies that can help with these problems but our governments don’t really wanna fix any of this stuff they just want the tax dollars to piss away on the me too movement or human rights crap in some third world toilet that couldn’t give 2 shits about Canada or where it even is. And it don’t matter what political stripe u are they are all the same.