Western Canadian Independance

[sumdumguy]

We are reminded by history of many examples of nations created out of necessity. July the fourth is a big celebration in America.

I guess there comes a time when either you grow up, get tired of an abusive relationship or just want your freedom and break away. I think the West’s position in Canada as the kid to kick around has just about come to a head. No elected senate, rep by pop., unfair equalization payments, NEP, Trudeau #2, Eastern dominance, oppression have all taken their toll. The last 3 1/2 years , Bill C69 and Bill C48 have been the icing on the cake. The utter hate for the West has never been so evident. There may be no other way to straighten this out because all politicians will pander to Eastern power, no different with Harper at the helm.

[macdon02]

We are reminded by history of many examples of nations created out of necessity. July the fourth is a big celebration in America.

I guess there comes a time when either you grow up, get tired of an abusive relationship or just want your freedom and break away. I think the West’s position in Canada as the kid to kick around has just about come to a head. No elected senate, rep by pop., unfair equalization payments, NEP, Trudeau #2, Eastern dominance, oppression have all taken their toll. The last 3 1/2 years , Bill C69 and Bill C48 have been the icing on the cake. The utter hate for the West has never been so evident. There may be no other way to straighten this out because all politicians will pander to Eastern power, no different with Harper at the helm.

After the Red River Rebellion, the Métis moved from Manitoba to the northwest where they could continue their way of life, hunting buffalo and establishing their traditional long narrow farms. These were centred around the Saskatchewan River. For fifteen years the Métis, First Nations people and a few white settlers lived peacefully together in the area.

In the 1880s problems began to emerge. The Métis found that their narrow strips of land were being disregarded by government surveyors, mapping out grid patterns in advance of railway expansion and land development. The Indigenous people were suffering from diseases brought by the white settlers, like smallpox, for which they had no*immunity. And the dwindling buffalo herds were depriving them of their main source of food. The white settlers were also contending with high costs and a weak market for their farm products during a period of world recession. They began to make more demands on the government in Ottawa, both for assistance and for political reforms.

This last bit sounds familiar....

From a google search on the last time there was a violent rebellion here.
http://www.canadahistoryproject.ca/1871-97/1871-06-nw-rebellion-1885.html

Maybe this is why the east hates us?

[foragefarmer]

Sum

"July the fourth is a big celebration in America."


July the 1st is a big celebration in Canada. By far a better country to live in compared to the USA!

Stop your bitching and whining , and be appreciative of where you live and have!

Moving south of the 49th is always and option for you! Big talker!

[samhill]

Forage, I’m sure you know how to boil a frog.
Pretty sure I’m not a frog.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Lots of threads about Canada's powerless position on world trade issues lately. Yesterdays example by China being another big one. We have absolutely no leverage in these issues, and the east has no motivation to use any against primarily western based trade issues, even if we had any, preferring to cut off their nose to spite their face, rather than see another region prosper.

Pay attention, the only country able to enforce their own terms on their trading partners, compensate their industries for harm done, or even close the borders and have negligible effect on their economy, is our neighbor to the south. The longer we stay in this abusive relationship, the weaker our position becomes, and the stronger the US's position becomes, and the terms of the inevitable union will be less and less in our favor.

[samhill]

From the Winnipeg Free Press June 26

East-west divide
The current Liberal government thinks the oil tanker ban (Bill C-48) is only important on the West Coast of Canada and not the East Coast because Quebec gets its oil via Venezuelan and Saudi Arabian oil tankers that travel up the St. Lawrence Seaway.

What Quebec wants, Quebec gets. The Energy East pipeline that was to feed crude oil refineries in Atlantic Canada was stopped at the Quebec boundary because Quebec did not want it.

Quebec has enjoyed billions of dollars of oil revenue from the West, yet continues to get its crude oil from countries with dictatorships, poor human rights records and poor environmental laws. Bombardier gets hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government. Quebec is receiving $13.1 billion of the $19.1-billion equalization grant. Economic benefits that Quebec gets from the oilpatch go on and on, but it is not appreciated by Quebec.

The October election will probably be determined by the time the voting gets to the Ontario-Manitoba boundary. Eastern Canada is more populous than the West, so Western Canadian interests are not important to Eastern Canada.

We need the premiers of the Prairies and northern Canada to get together and look at terms of separation for Western Canada. Only when we divorce ourselves from Confederation will we be masters of our own destiny and captains of our own ship.

Gord Dykstra

North Battleford, Sask.

[newguy]

[jazz]

Everyone gets on harper and kennys case for not changing the equalization structure when in power. Well two things. First of all, Harper won a majority without big seats in Quebec so he thought there was some new Mulroney type base to build. He kept equalization trying to ply conservative seats in Quebec. It was a worthy goal. Keep canada together and tilt the voting dynamic a bit. Second of all, oil was booming and nobody ever talked about shutting it down.

This is now a different animal. We find that Quebec are permanent corupt socialists at the trough and our equalization goes to prop up their govt, buy them foreign oil and ensure they keep the voting power. All while now blocking our resources off both coasts.

This now signals Canada is over. Kenny will lay low for a few months but if skippy gets in again, he will launch a constitutional challenge on those bills followed by an equalization referendum.

[the big wheel]

Everyone gets on harper and kennys case for not changing the equalization structure when in power. Well two things. First of all, Harper won a majority without big seats in Quebec so he thought there was some new Mulroney type base to build. He kept equalization trying to ply conservative seats in Quebec. It was a worthy goal. Keep canada together and tilt the voting dynamic a bit. Second of all, oil was booming and nobody ever talked about shutting it down.

This is now a different animal. We find that Quebec are permanent corupt socialists at the trough and our equalization goes to prop up their govt, buy them foreign oil and ensure they keep the voting power. All while now blocking our resources off both coasts.

This now signals Canada is over. Kenny will lay low for a few months but if skippy gets in again, he will launch a constitutional challenge on those bills followed by an equalization referendum.

If that’s the case it shows how dumb and ineffective those 2 were. Would they be waiting to be out of government to give the people they voted for them what they wanted?
Excuses, excuses.

[jazz]

If that’s the case it shows how dumb and ineffective those 2 were. Would they be waiting to be out of government to give the people they voted for them what they wanted?
Excuses, excuses.

Harper was the culmination of the Reform agenda. If we could just pry the door open a bit, the west could enjoy equal power with the ROC. But that's not possible now we see. Confederation is tilted against western provinces that have all the wealth but less people. That would never happen in the US.

So here is what will happen, Skippy gets a minority coalition govt with NDP and Green whackos backing him. They talk about more taxes on people for social programs but that will be impossible so they will go after carbon tax and equalization money. And that will spell the death knell for Canada within a couple yrs.

[newguy]

Sheer is no different.

[newguy]

[jazz]

Sheer is no different.

That may be true. Sheer is just a placeholder until skippy can be punted with some hope the socialist cabal can be reasoned with, but that is unlikely.

But the math that Peter Zeihan has put forward is undeniable. AB (and SK) contribution to equalization will have to triple to keep this country afloat. The feds are trying to make moves that keep Ab locked in Canada so they can suck the payments off forever. This is not sustainable.

[chuckChuck]

The socialists includes farmers who receive over 3 billion dollars in annual subsidies in Canada. Most of which is safety nets and access to generous and below market credit terms from the FCC.

Plus supply managed farmers receive the states protection with tariffs and border import controls with guaranteed cost of production formulas.

Let us know when you find your utopian free market paradise. It certainly doesn't exist in any G7 or G20 country that I know of.

[jazz]

The socialists includes farmers who receive over 3 billion dollars in annual subsidies in Canada. Most of which is safety nets and access to generous and below market credit terms from the FCC.

Plus supply managed farmers receive the states protection with tariffs and border import controls with guaranteed cost of production formulas.

Let us know when you find your utopian free market paradise. It certainly doesn't exist in any G7 or G20 country that I know of.

Who on earth is talking about Quebec farmers? Western farmers get no subsidies and the last time I was at FCC, their interest rate is a pt higher than the banks. Crop insurance is a program that we help fund with premiums. Nobody I know has gotten a dime from Agstability in the past decade. Does Bombardier have anything like that.

When you wake up chuck, instead of posting drivel, go dip your head in some ice water.